Maximum average power for a purely resistive load

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum average power delivered to a purely resistive load in a circuit involving a resistor and complex impedance. The original poster presents a circuit analysis problem with specific values for resistance and impedance, seeking clarification on their calculations and results.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find the Thevenin equivalent impedance and voltage, using various circuit analysis techniques. They express confusion over their calculated power output and seek feedback on their approach.
  • Some participants question the accuracy of the original poster's calculations, particularly regarding the short circuit current and Thevenin voltage, suggesting alternative methods for finding these values.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the interpretation of voltage and current relationships in the circuit, particularly in relation to the voltage divider formed by the capacitor and inductor.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the original poster's calculations and suggesting alternative approaches. There is a recognition of the correct Thevenin impedance, but uncertainty remains regarding the voltage and current calculations. The original poster has reported a revised voltage that aligns with their expectations, but questions about the interpretation of results persist.

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Participants note the importance of distinguishing between voltage and current in the context of the circuit analysis. The original poster is working under the constraints of homework rules that require a focus on theoretical understanding rather than direct solutions.

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Homework Statement



Consider the circuit shown in the figure below. Suppose that R = 46Ω and Z=j14Ω. Determine the maximum average power that can be delivered to the load if the load is pure resistance. Note that the voltage source magnitude is given as Vmax, not VRMS

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Homework Equations



j = \sqrt{-1}
V=IZ
I1 = \frac{R_2*I_s}{R_1+R_2}
Zt = Thevenin equivalent impedance = VOC/ISC
P = IRMS2*RL
Power is max when RL = Rs, or ZL = Zs*
Z* = complex conjugate of Z

The Attempt at a Solution



Shorting the voltage source to find the thevenin equivalents, I combine the capacitor and inductor in parallel then combine that value with the resistor:

\frac{(-j10)(j14)}{-j10+j14} = -j35
-j35+46 = 46-j35 = Zt

Going back to the original circuit and replacing the load resistance with a short circuit to find ISC:

Current across capacitor = \frac{10}{-j10} = j
Using the current divider to find the current across the 46Ω resistor,
ISC = \frac{j14*(j)}{j14+46} = -0.278+j*0.8477

Vt = ISC*Zt = (-0.278+j*0.0848)(46-j35) = -9.82+j13.63

For max power, RL = |Zt| = |46-j35| = sqrt(46^2+35^2) = 57.8

The current through the thevenin equivalent circuit with RL attached is:

I = \frac{-9.82+j13.63}{46-j35+57.8} = -0.125+j*0.0893
IRMS = \sqrt{0.125^2+0.0893^2}/\sqrt{2} = 0.1086

P = IRMS2*RL = 0.682 W which is incorrect. The correct answer is 2.95 W. Any ideas?
 
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Your Thevenin impedance looks good, but I'm not liking your Thevenin voltage or the short circuit current. How did you conclude that the voltage across the capacitor is j when ZL is replaced by a short? Shorting RL places the resistor R in parallel with the inductor, it doesn't ground the top of the R.
 
Thanks for the reply.

gneill said:
Your Thevenin impedance looks good, but I'm not liking your Thevenin voltage or the short circuit current.

Sorry, I meant to say that was the *current* across the capacitor, not the voltage.

gneill said:
Shorting RL places the resistor R in parallel with the inductor, it doesn't ground the top of the R.

So now repeating the same method starting from ISC while combining R and Z:

R||Z = 46*j14/(46+j14) = 3.9+j12.8
R||Z + C = 3.9+j12.8 -j10 = 3.9+j2.8
ISC = V/R = 10/(3.9+j2.8) = 1.692-j1.215
Vt = ISC*Zt = (1.692-j1.215)(46-35j) = 35.31-j115.1
RL is still 57.8
Current through Thevenin equiv. circuit with RL = I = (35.31-j115.1)/(46-j35+57.8) = 0.641-j*0.893
IRMS = sqrt(0.641^2+0.893^2)/sqrt(2) = 0.777
P = 0.777^2*57.8 = 34.9W which is still incorrect.
 
Isc will be just the current through the resistor. You've taken it to be the total current produced by the source voltage driving the total impedance.

If I may suggest, since you've found the Thevenin Impedance easily enough (and it is correct), why not find the Thevenin Voltage as the open circuit voltage rather than by way of the short circuit current and impedance? With the load removed, the open circuit voltage at the terminals is the result of the action of the voltage divider created by the capacitor and inductor. Easy!
 
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gneill said:
Isc will be just the current through the resistor. You've taken it to be the total current produced by the source voltage driving the total impedance.

Isn't that what I did the first time, just with the mistake of me writing voltage instead of current?

gneill said:
If I may suggest, since you've found the Thevenin Impedance easily enough (and it is correct), why not find the Thevenin Voltage as the open circuit voltage rather than by way of the short circuit current and impedance? With the load removed, the open circuit voltage at the terminals is the result of the action of the voltage divider created by the capacitor and inductor. Easy!

Just tried that, VOC = 35V which when plugged into the following equations gives me the right answer. However, I've noticed that this is very close to the real part of the Vt value I obtained in my first reply to you. Since it's asking for a purely resistive power, was I supposed to take just the real part of that voltage or is that just a coincidence that the values are similar? Nonetheless, thank you very much for your help.
 
zealeth said:
Isn't that what I did the first time, just with the mistake of me writing voltage instead of current?
I don't think so. The source will see a total impedance of ZC + (Z||R), while you wrote that the capacitor current is 10/(-10j). That would only be true of the capacitor alone was across the source.

Just tried that, VOC = 35V which when plugged into the following equations gives me the right answer. However, I've noticed that this is very close to the real part of the Vt value I obtained in my first reply to you. Since it's asking for a purely resistive power, was I supposed to take just the real part of that voltage or is that just a coincidence that the values are similar? Nonetheless, thank you very much for your help.

I think that's a coincidence.
 
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zealeth said:
...Just tried that, VOC = 35V which when plugged into the following equations gives me the right answer...
Because it is 35\,V:
V_t=V_{oc}=10\cdot\frac{14j}{14j-10j}=35
 

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