Maximum tension a cable can withstand.

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The discussion revolves around determining the maximum number of passengers an elevator can safely carry based on the tension capacity of the cable and the forces acting on the elevator system. The subject area includes dynamics and forces, specifically focusing on tension, weight, and acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the number of passengers based on maximum tension and acceleration but does not consider the weight of the elevator itself. Some participants question the need to account for all forces acting on the system, including the weight of the elevator and the distinction between weight and mass.

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Participants are actively exploring the problem, with some providing corrections and clarifications regarding the forces involved. The inclusion of the elevator's mass has been noted, and there is a suggestion to analyze the forces in the vertical direction more thoroughly.

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There is a constraint regarding the maximum tension of the cable (9000N) and the maximum upward acceleration (1.00 m/s²). The mass of the elevator (520 kg) is also a critical factor in the calculations being discussed.

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Homework Statement


If the maximum tension that a cable can safely withstand is 9000N and the maximum upward acceleration of the elevator is 1.00 ms2, how many 80kg passengers may be safely carried in the elevator?

(The mass of the cable is negligible)


Homework Equations


F=ma
T=mg


The Attempt at a Solution


If I let ay=1.00 ms2 and F=9000N then I have:
9000N = m * ay and m = 9000. The number of 80kg people the elevator can withstand is 9000 / 80 = 112 people.

Is this correct?
 
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No. You first need to know the mass of the elevator. Is it given? Then note that weight and mass are not the same, and that net force = ma. You need to identify all the forces acting on the elevator/people system. Hint: don't forget the weight acting down.
 
The mass of the elevator is 520 kg. Sorry I forgot to include this. Correct me here: There are two forces acting on the elevator, FG and FN.
FG = mg = 520 kg * (-10) = -5200N.

Help?
 
cdx said:
The mass of the elevator is 520 kg. Sorry I forgot to include this. Correct me here: There are two forces acting on the elevator, FG and FN.
FG = mg = 520 kg * (-10) = -5200N.

Help?

I think the 2 forces you want to analyze in the Y direction are Fw and Ft, which oppose each other. Fw is acting in the negative Y direction and Ft is acting in the positive Y direction. Ft of course being the force of tension

So id look at it as the max force of tension it can hold is 9000N=Ft,

Ft-Fw=ma ----> Ft=ma+(Fw)
 
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