Maxwell's equations and conservation principles

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on the relationship between Maxwell's equations and conservation principles, specifically exploring whether Maxwell's equations can be derived from the conservation of energy, momentum, and charge. The scope includes theoretical aspects and mathematical reasoning related to electromagnetic fields.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that defining energy and momentum carried by the field may allow for the derivation of Maxwell's equations from conservation principles.
  • Another participant states that deriving the energy-momentum tensor leads to the free Lagrangian density, from which Maxwell's equations can be derived in vacuum, with the addition of an interaction term for sources.
  • A question is raised about the connection between electric and magnetic fields and the necessity of using a vector potential instead of just a scalar potential, along with the appropriate source terms.
  • One participant acknowledges the assumption that the electromagnetic field tensor is derived from a one-form, which relates to half of Maxwell's equations, and notes that the source depends on the interacting field.
  • It is mentioned that translational invariance should ensure the conservation of the total energy-momentum tensor, thereby guaranteeing energy and momentum conservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the derivation of Maxwell's equations and the role of various potentials and source terms, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the definitions of energy, momentum, and the nature of the fields involved are not explicitly stated. The discussion also touches on unresolved mathematical steps related to the derivation process.

Delta2
Homework Helper
Insights Author
Messages
6,002
Reaction score
2,628
Once we define energy and momentum carried by the field , is it possible to derive Maxwell's equations from conservation of momentum and conservation of energy (along perhaps with conservation of charge)?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Once you have derived the energy momentum tensor, you essentially have the free Lagrangian density. From there you should be able to derive Maxwell's equations in vacuum. Add an interaction term for the equations with a source.

Conservation of energy and momentum is a consequence of invariance under time and space translations.
 
How does that link E and B fields? (i.e. how do you know that you need to set up a vector potential and not just a scalar potential?) And how do you add the right source terms?
 
You are right in the fact that I have assumed that the electromagnetic field tensor is the exterior derivative of a one form, which of course already is half of Maxwell's equations.

With regards to the source, this is going to depend on the field you interact with. Regardless of what field that is, translational invariance should make the total energy momentum tensor conserved and thereby guarantee energy and momentum conservation.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
2K
  • · Replies 15 ·
Replies
15
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
3K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
3K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K