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The discussion revolves around splitting a second-order differential equation into two first-order equations for use in a Runge-Kutta numerical method. Participants are exploring the formulation and initial conditions for the equations derived from the original problem.

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  • One participant presents the equation \(\frac{d^2f}{dx^2} + f = 0\) and proposes separating it into two equations, introducing \(g = \frac{df}{dx}\) and deriving \(\frac{dg}{dx} + f = 0\).
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the notation and suggests using clearer LaTeX formatting for the equations, expressing confusion over the notation used in the original post.
  • There is a request for assistance in formatting the equations properly for clarity and for help in deriving the two equations needed for the Runge-Kutta method.
  • Participants express a need for further clarification on LaTeX, indicating a lack of familiarity with the typesetting system.

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Participants generally agree on the need to split the equation into two first-order equations, but there is no consensus on the best way to format the equations or the clarity of the original presentation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the final form of the equations.

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Some participants note confusion regarding the notation and formatting of the equations, which may affect understanding. There is also mention of initial conditions that are specific to each equation, which may require further clarification.

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Readers interested in numerical methods for solving differential equations, particularly those using the Runge-Kutta method, as well as those looking to improve their LaTeX formatting skills for mathematical expressions.

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Im trying to turn this equation into 2 separate equations in order to place it in a runge kutta problem. This is the proposed problem and conditions:

\frac{d^2f}{dx^2} + f = 0

allowing

f (x) = A\cos x + B\sin x
f ' (x) = -A\sin x + B\cos x
f '' (x) = -A\cos x - B\sin x

and
g = \frac{df}{dx}

meaning
\frac{df}{dx} - g = 0 which is identical to \frac{d^2f}{dx^2} + f = 0

so
\frac{dg}{dx} + f = 0

the initial conditions for equation 1 are:
f (0) = 1
f ' (0) = 0

and for equation 2 are:
f (0) = 0
g (0) = 1

I hope this formatting is more easy to read.
any suggestions??
 
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memarf1 said:
Im trying to turn this equation into 2 separate equations in order to place it in a runge kutta problem. This is the proposed problem and conditions:

d''f______________________f (x) = Acosx + Bsinx
--- + f = 0______________f ' (x) = -Asinx + Bcosx
dx''______________________f '' (x) = -Acosx - Bsinx
____df_________df
g = ----_______---- - g = 0 is identical to d''f
____dx_________dx____________________---- + f = 0
_____________________________________dx''
so
___dg
__---- + f = 0______________if f(0) = 1____and if____f(0) = 0
___dx_______________________f '(0) = 0____________g(0) = 1

My organization may be confusing, ignore long underscore lines, and some of the stuff is organized up and down instead of left and right.
any suggestions??

Right, you really need to learn Latex. So your post I tjink would go like this:

\frac{d''f}{dx''} + f = 0

Therefore:

f (x) = A\cos x + B\sin x
f ' (x) = -A\sin x + B\cos x
f '' (x) = -A\cos x - B\sin x

However, before I try to translate the rest, I feel it worth noting that this is very confusing:

\frac{d''f}{dx''}

Please stick to something like this:

\frac{d^{2}y}{dx^{2}} \quad \text{or} \quad y''
 
yes, that is correct.

Off Subject, but what is latex?

Please continue your help.
 
memarf1 said:
yes, that is correct.

Off Subject, but what is latex?

Please continue your help.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=8997

Click on any of my equtions and a box should appear showing the cde I used to write it.

It's very early in the morning here, I'll come back and look at your problem later sorry, too tired right now.
 
Ok, well, I have changed the formatting, thank you for your continued help, ill check back in in the morning. Thanks again.

Im just looking for the 2 equations to plug into the runge kutta 4. I hope you can help. I have another post with my C++ code in it, but the code is correct. I just have to do this to show my professor.
 

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