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The discussion revolves around calculating the mean free path of an electron traveling through a gas, specifically in the context of the Stanford Linear Accelerator. The original poster seeks to determine the maximum pressure inside the accelerator tube to ensure negligible scattering losses, given a required mean free path of at least 50 km.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to use a formula for mean free path but expresses uncertainty about how to proceed without knowing the number density and the radius of gas molecules. Some participants question the validity of treating electrons as point particles, suggesting a reconsideration of assumptions regarding electron-molecule collisions.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some offering guidance on how to relate number density to pressure and temperature, while others highlight potential misconceptions in the original approach. There is no explicit consensus on the next steps, but productive dialogue is ongoing.

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Participants note that the gas in the accelerator is primarily nitrogen, which may influence assumptions about molecular size. The original poster is also constrained by the requirement to find the maximum pressure based on the ideal gas law.

dekoi
Mean Free Path of an Electron -- URGENT

An electron can be thought of as a point particle with zero radius.
Find an expression for the mean free path of an electron through a gas.

The mean free path of an electron can be represented by:
[tex]\lambda = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2} \pi \frac{N}{V} r^2}[/tex]

Electrons travel through L = 3 km in the Stanford Linear Accelerator. In order for scattering losses to be negligible, the pressure inside the accerlator tube must be reduced to the point where the mean free path is at least 50 km. What is the maximum possible pressure inside the accelerator tube, assuming T = 293 K?

By using the equation [tex]\lambda = \frac{L}{N_{coll}}[/tex]
[tex]N_{coll} = \frac{L}{\lambda } = \frac{3}{50} = 0.06 collisions[/tex]
I then know that

[tex]N_{coll} = \frac{N}{V}V_{cyl} = \frac{N}{V}\sqrt{2} \pi r^2 L[/tex]

However, I don't know how to continue from here to find the pressure, because I know neither the number density [itex]\frac{N}{V}[/itex] or the radius [itex]r[/itex].
 
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Clearly you can't treat electrons as point masses in your current model since a point mass corresponds to [tex]r = 0[/tex] i.e. infinite mean free path. I would suggest trying to examine your assumptions again.

Here is some information about the model you are currently using: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/kinetic/menfre.html
 
Physics Monkey said:
Clearly you can't treat electrons as point masses in your current model since a point mass corresponds to [tex]r = 0[/tex] i.e. infinite mean free path.
PM, the OP is talking about electron-molecule collisions, not electron-electron collisions. The molecules having a non-zero diameter gives the electron a finite mean-free path.
 
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dekoi said:
An electron can be thought of as a point particle with zero radius.
Find an expression for the mean free path of an electron through a gas.

The mean free path of an electron can be represented by:
[tex]\lambda = \frac{1}{\sqrt{2} \pi \frac{N}{V} r^2}[/tex]

Electrons travel through L = 3 km in the Stanford Linear Accelerator. In order for scattering losses to be negligible, the pressure inside the accerlator tube must be reduced to the point where the mean free path is at least 50 km. What is the maximum possible pressure inside the accelerator tube, assuming T = 293 K?
You can solve this from the equation above for the mean free path.
However, I don't know how to continue from here to find the pressure, because I know neither the number density [itex]\frac{N}{V}[/itex] or the radius [itex]r[/itex].
What relation tells you the number density of an ideal gas from the pressure and temperature ? As for the radius, I think you may assume that the gas in the SLAC is mostly N2 and use the size of an N2 molecule as the diameter.
 
Right Gokul, thanks. The more I thought about it, something did seem amiss. Heh, I should probably go to sleep.
 
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