Mean value theorem & Cauchy sequence

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a sequence defined recursively by a0=0 and an+1=cos(an) for n≥0. Participants are tasked with proving certain properties of this sequence, including inequalities and its Cauchy nature, using the Mean Value Theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the proof of inequalities involving the sequence terms and the application of the Mean Value Theorem to establish bounds on the differences between consecutive terms.
  • There is a focus on how to handle cases where the sequence is not monotonic, questioning the assumptions needed for applying the Mean Value Theorem.
  • Some participants suggest rewriting expressions to clarify the relationship between terms and the implications of the Mean Value Theorem.
  • Questions arise about the validity of certain assumptions and how to prove claims without relying on monotonicity.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications on the application of the Mean Value Theorem. Some have reached a better understanding of how to approach the problem without strict monotonicity, while others are still seeking clarity on specific aspects of the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of proving the Cauchy nature of the sequence, particularly in cases where indices may vary and the implications of bounding differences between terms. There is also mention of the need for bounds on trigonometric functions without reliance on calculators.

kingwinner
Messages
1,266
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


Let a0=0 and an+1=cos(an) for n≥0.
a) prove that a2n≤a2n+2≤a2n+3≤a2n+1 for all n≥0.
b) use mean value theorem to find a number r<1 such that |an+2-an+1| ≤ r|an-an+1| for all n≥0. Using this, prove that the sequence {an} is Cauchy.

Homework Equations


N/A

The Attempt at a Solution


a) I proved part (a) using induction. Furthermore, I showed that all terms of the sequence is bounded between 0 and 1.

b) Claim: |an+2-an+1| ≤ 0.85|an+1-an|

Assuming the claim is true, I have that
|am-an|=|am-am-1|+...+|an+1-an|≤0.85m-1|a1-a0|+...+0.85n|a1-a0|≤0.85n/(1-0.85) ->0 as n->∞. Thus, by squeeze theorem, the sequence is Cauchy.

But I am not sure how to prove the claim. If I consider a special case an+1≥an (which is clearly not true in our case), i.e. assuming the sequence is nondecreasing, then by mean value theorem, an+2-an+1=-sin(c)(an+1-an) where c must be somewhere between 0 and 1, so |sin(c)|<0.85, and the claim is proved in this special case. But the trouble is that our sequence is actually not even monotone (as shown in part a), so how can we prove the claim in our case?

Any help is much appreciated! :)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
If I rewrite [tex]|a_{n+2} - a_{n+1}| \leq r|a_{n+1} - a_n|[/tex] as [tex]\left| \frac{\cos a_{n+1} - \cos a_n}{a_{n+1} - a_n}\right| \leq r[/tex] what does that remind you of?
 
ystael said:
If I rewrite [tex]|a_{n+2} - a_{n+1}| \leq r|a_{n+1} - a_n|[/tex] as [tex]\left| \frac{\cos a_{n+1} - \cos a_n}{a_{n+1} - a_n}\right| \leq r[/tex] what does that remind you of?
?

Mean value theorem: if f is differentiable in (a,b) and continuous on [a,b], then there exists c E (a,b) s.t. f(b)-f(a)=c(b-a)
The problem is in the theorem, b must be greater than a. So I have to assume an+1≥an in order to say that an+2-an+1=-sin(c)(an+1-an) where c must be somewhere between 0 and 1, and |sin(c)|<0.85. How can I remove the assumption an+1≥an, and arrive at the same conclusion?

I am not sure how to prove in our case that |an+2-an+1| ≤ 0.85|an+1-an|, which is needed in the proof.

Does anybody have any idea?
 
Last edited:
There are places you can slap absolute value signs in the statement of the mean value theorem to remove that little problem :)
 
ystael said:
There are places you can slap absolute value signs in the statement of the mean value theorem to remove that little problem :)

I think the claim can be proved if we assume either one of the following:
(i) an+1≥an for all n, i.e. {an} nondecreasing
or (ii) an+1≤an for all n, i.e. {an} nonincreasing

But here in our case{a_n} is not even monotone. a0=0, a1=1, a2=0.54, a3=0.86,...
So it belongs to neither case (i) nor case (ii). How should I prove the claim?

Could somebody help, please?
thanks!
 
Look again. You will find that you can apply the mean value theorem separately to each case arising from each index [tex]n[/tex]; therefore the direction of the inequality [tex]a_{n+1} \leq a_n[/tex] or [tex]a_{n+1} \geq a_n[/tex] doesn't have to be the same for all [tex]n[/tex].
 
OK, you're right! I got it now :)
Actually I got confused before about the "for ALL n" part in "a(n+1)>a(n) for ALL n" . I thought we need montone sequences, but acutally we don't.

Given any two consecutive terms a(n) and a(n+1), either a(n)<=a(n_1) or a(n)>a(n+1), and in either case the MVT gives the result. Done.
 
"What is the maximum of |sin(c)| in [0,1]?"

Actually I used my calculator to get the bound 0.85. Is it possible to answer this question without using a calculator?? I don't think there is any way to tell what sin(1) is equal to...
 
You don't need a precise value, only a proven bound less than 1. Try estimating it using the power series.
 
  • #10
I have a question about the end when we're trying to prove that the sequence is Cauchy.

Case 1: If m≥n, then
|am-an|≤|am-am-1|+...+|an+1-an|
≤0.85m-1|a1-a0|+...+0.85n|a1-a0|
≤0.85n/(1-0.85) ->0 as n->∞ (and m->∞).
Thus, by squeeze theorem, |am-an|->0 as n,m->∞
(here we are assuming that as n,m->infinity, it is in a manner such that m is always greater than or equal to n)

Case 2: If m<n, then similarly, we can show that |am-an|->0 as n,m->∞.
(here we are assuming that as n,m->infinity, it is in a manner such that m is always less than n)

Is this enough to show that the sequence is Cauchy?
If so, why? What if n,m->∞ while n and m keep on crossing over each other? (i.e. n,m->∞, but sometimes m≥n and sometimes m<n. How can we handle this case?)
I don't understand why proving only case 1 and case 2 would be enough to show that the sequence is Cauchy.

Can someone explain this, please?
Thank you!
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
1K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
5K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K