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The problem involves a metric space defined as a union of open sets, with the goal of showing that for any Borel set, there exists an open set such that the measure of the difference between the open set and the Borel set is less than a specified epsilon. The context is within measure theory, particularly focusing on general measures rather than Lebesgue measure.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the properties of open sets and their intersections with the metric space components. There are attempts to relate Borel sets to the open sets and to use countable subadditivity of measures. Questions arise about how to tightly wrap open sets around Borel sets and the implications of assuming finite measure.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches being explored. Some participants suggest using collections of open balls, while others question how to construct the necessary open sets. There is recognition of the need to consider the measure of the sets involved, and some guidance has been offered regarding the properties of measures in this context.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the assumption that the measure of the sets \(X_k\) is finite, which may influence the approach to the problem. Additionally, participants note the challenge of working within the constraints of general measure theory rather than relying on Lebesgue measure.

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Homework Statement


We have a metric space X=\cup X_k where X_k\subset X_{k+1} and each X_k is open. Show that for any Borel set E, there is an open set U such that \mu (U-E)&lt;\epsilon. (Its supposed to be "U \ E".)

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\mu is a measure, so probably the important thing is countable subadditivity.
A borel set is a set generated by countable union, countable intersection, and relative complement of open sets.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that if I have an open set I can intersect it with an X_k and still have an open set... In this way I believe I can chop up any open set to countable pieces. But how can I get the difference in measure to be less than \epsilon ?
The only solutions to a problem like this that I have seen are in the context of Lebesgue measure and \mathbb{R}^n, but I cannot use this context. I must prove it in a general metric space with a general measure. Also, if anyone can recommend a book that has a good treatment of general measures instead of focusing on Lebesgue, I would appreciate the suggestion. So far I have Royden and Folland.
 
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Going back to set notation A/B= A\cap B* (with * denoting the compliment).

This should make it easier to use like like countable subadditivity and finite intersections for measure.
 
Okay, good point, I like that. But... I still don't know how to get an open set (or countably many open sets) tightly wrapped around E.
 
ArcanaNoir said:
Okay, good point, I like that. But... I still don't know how to get an open set (or countably many open sets) tightly wrapped around E.

You're working in a metric space so you should consider looking at a collection (or more than one collection) of open balls.
 
I'm just guessing because I haven't actually thought this problem out in detail but...

If we let E be generated by some of the Xk 's. I would think for a general borel set it doesn't have to be the X's but I'm not sue if the logic would flow nicely otherwise.


Then E= \cupsome k's Xk.
So E*= (\cupk Xk)* = \cap Xk*

and U/E is simply U\cap(\capk Xk) so this leaves you with a countable number of intersections.

And then you can try and work it from here. I think you may have to assume at some point that X has finite measure; not sure though.
 
Jufro said:
If we let E be generated by some of the Xk 's. I would think for a general borel set it doesn't have to be the X's but I'm not sue if the logic would flow nicely otherwise.Then E= \cupsome k's Xk.
So E*= (\cupk Xk)* = \cap Xk*

and U/E is simply U\cap(\capk Xk) so this leaves you with a countable number of intersections.

But what if E is not a union of Xk's? What if E is only parts of the Xks?

And then you can try and work it from here. I think you may have to assume at some point that X has finite measure; not sure though.
Right, I forgot to mention \mu (X_k)&lt;\infty
 
pasmith said:
You're working in a metric space so you should consider looking at a collection (or more than one collection) of open balls.

Yeah, but how would I get only countably many open balls?
 
Yeah, generating from the Xk 's is kind of nice but isn't really true.

But that is ok because if your generating sets are Ji then each Ji \subset \cup for some k's Xk.

And then you could use that the fact that if A\subset B then μ(A)≤ μ(B).

I think that should be enough to get the ball rolling.

The goal, in my mind, is to find what the measure of set U has to be and so that you can try and construct it.

Also, a trivial answer is U = ∅. Cheap, but finding a solution sort of proves that a solution has to exist.
 
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Holy crap I solved it.
 

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