Mechanical Collision: Measuring Sound & Heat

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurement of sound and heat produced during mechanical collisions, specifically whether mathematical equations can be derived using mechanical variables such as mass and speed. The scope includes theoretical considerations and the complexities involved in quantifying energy loss in various forms during collisions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the possibility of deriving equations for sound and heat production from mechanical variables alone, suggesting that material constants and shapes are also necessary.
  • Another participant notes that while energy is conserved in collisions, determining the distribution of lost kinetic energy into heat, sound, and deformation is complex.
  • There is a repeated inquiry about whether mechanical variables can be arranged to define heat and sound, with one participant referencing the conversion of energy to heat in terms of Joules per calorie.
  • It is mentioned that while energy can be quantified, the nature of sound produced varies significantly and is not easily categorized by energy alone.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of deriving sound and heat measurements solely from mechanical variables, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations regarding the need for additional material properties and the challenges in quantifying energy loss in specific forms during mechanical collisions.

Lukeblackhill
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Morning!

My question is this: If we consider a situation of mechanical collision, in the real world we shall observe certain loss of energy into heat or sound. Can we find mathematical equations to measure the amount of sound or heat produced using only mechanical variables, such as mass, speed, etc, considering such sound and heat were produced by an mechanical collision?

Thank you!

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You need some material constants, their shape and so on. In general this is a difficult problem.
 
Energy is conserved. If the collision is perfectly inelastic, one can know how much kinetic energy has disappeared. That energy has to go someplace. The hard part is determining how much goes into heat, how much into sound and how much into permanent deformation or other results. (i.e. what @Wrichik Basu said)
 
But in principle, would it be possible to arrange mechanical variables such as mass and speed to define heat, sound, etc?
 
Lukeblackhill said:
But in principle, would it be possible to arrange mechanical variables such as mass and speed to define heat, sound, etc?
One can define a quantity of heat in terms of the associated energy. 4.2 Joules per calorie if I remember my high school chemistry. Same for sound -- though it it does not take much energy to make a loud sound. And it does not help distinguish between a clank, a crash, a thud, a ding or a gong.
 
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jbriggs444 said:
One can define a quantity of heat in terms of the associated energy. 4.2 Joules per calorie if I remember my high school chemistry. Same for sound -- though it it does not take much energy to make a loud sound. And it does not help distinguish between a clank, a crash, a thud, a ding or a gong.
Thank you @jbriggs444 , that was enlightening.
 

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