Mechanical energy of sliding beads

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The discussion revolves around the mechanical energy changes of beads sliding on curved paths, specifically focusing on energy conservation principles in the presence of friction and gravitational potential energy. The first problem involves a bead moving from a height of 6.9 m to 1.6 m, while the second problem addresses a bead sliding around a loop-the-loop from a height of 9.4 m.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning the interpretation of height differences and the effects of friction on mechanical energy. There are attempts to set up equations based on gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, with some participants expressing confusion over signs and values used in calculations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on checking the signs in equations and understanding the context of height changes. There is recognition of errors in calculations, but no consensus on final solutions has been reached. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework assignments, which may impose specific requirements for answers and calculations. There is mention of a homework service rejecting answers based on precision, indicating a focus on accuracy in the solutions presented.

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Homework Statement


A 0.5 kg bead slides on a curved wire, starting
from rest at point A as shown in the figure.
The segment from A to B is frictionless, and
the segment from B to C is rough. The point
A is at height 6.9 m and the point C is at
height 1.6 m with respect to point B.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2 :
http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2720/motion8pj.gif
the image for this problem is fig.2
If the bead comes to rest at C, find the change
in mechanical energy due to friction as it
moves from B to C. Answer in units of J.

Homework Equations


mgh=energy of grav.
Force*displacement=diss. energy

The Attempt at a Solution


First, I set mgh at point A to mgh at C + diss energy:
(.5)(9.8)(6.9)=.5(9.8)+diss.
diss=26J
the answer above is not right, am i misunderstanding the question?
 
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Well, isn't the height at C 1.6m above B??

Remember, though that the change of mechanical energy is NEGATIVE.
 
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oh, thanks a lot!
 
since i have fig.1 as well, I might as well post another one of my problem:
1. Homework Statement
A bead slides without friction around a loop-
the-loop. The bead is released from a height
of 9.4 m from the bottom of the loop-the-loop
which has a radius 2 m.
The acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s2 :
What is its speed at point A? Answer in
units of m/s.
3.Work
this is basically the same as the first problem, and mass isn't needed because it ends up canceling.
so:
mgh=.5mv^2+mgh <-there is also grav. energy, because A is not the lowest
gh=.5v^2+gh
(9.8)(9.4)=.5v^2+9.8(4)
v=10.3m/s
but that answer is wrong. I'm sure that i have the equation set out right, because at point A kinetic energy is transferred to grav. potential energy.
 
you did some thing that does not make logical sense. take a look at your plus/minus signs.
 
so you are saying that one of the value that i plugged in should've been negative?
 
yep. But don't just change it without understanding why. after it falls, it goes up 4 meters--not down.
 
i figured out what i did wrong... I rounded wrong. I was off by more than 1% from the real answer, so Utexa's homework service rejected it.
 
Those drawings are down in Latex?
 
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no, I copied and edited them on paint :)
 

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