Mechanics problem: A Weight and a Mass Suspended from a String

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a weight and a mass suspended from a string, focusing on the conditions for static equilibrium and the application of torque. Participants explore the decomposition of forces and the angles involved in the system, as well as the discrepancies between their calculations and a provided solution.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants emphasize the necessity of showing work to receive assistance.
  • One participant discusses the requirement for static equilibrium, stating that the sum of all forces acting on the sphere must equal zero, and presents equations for the x and y components of the forces.
  • A participant expresses confusion regarding the appearance of α/2 in the solution, questioning its origin and seeking clarification on the angles involved.
  • Another participant suggests the need for a torque equation with respect to a specific point and mentions the importance of geometry in the analysis.
  • There is a discussion about the average angles at which the cord meets the sphere and the implications for the forces acting on it.
  • One participant confirms the presence of a rod connected to the sphere, indicating that it forms a rigid body.
  • Another participant clarifies that the force applied by the string on the sphere is directed towards its center, although this may not always be the case in the presence of friction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views regarding the application of forces and angles in the problem, and participants express uncertainty about the correct interpretation of the equations and the role of the angles involved. No consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps leading to the appearance of α/2, and there are unresolved assumptions regarding the geometry of the system and the forces acting on the sphere.

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I have difficulty solving this problem.

A homogeneous sphere of weight G, radius R is suspended at location 0 together with a weight of weight P in the manner indicated in Fig. 2.5. Determine the angles and the force F acting on the sphere from the hinge of the weight P.

The thing that makes me confused is that in the solution of the problem stated in the book, the angle of α/2 appears and I do not know why.
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phinds said:
You need to show your work. We can't give help until you show an effort.
The main idea that I started with was that there has to be static equilibrium, so the sum of all forces acting on a sphere must give zero. I decomposed the forces into x and y components and for the x component I came up with Tsin(φ)=Fcos(α) and for y component Fsin(α)+G=Tcos(φ). But when I later looked at the solution there was α/2 instead of α and I dont umderstand why.
 
You need the torque equation with respect to the point O to the whole system and a lot of geometry.
 
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smnjech said:
The main idea that I started with was that there has to be static equilibrium, so the sum of all forces acting on a sphere must give zero. I decomposed the forces into x and y components and for the x component I came up with Tsin(φ)=Fcos(α) and for y component Fsin(α)+G=Tcos(φ). But when I later looked at the solution there was α/2 instead of α and I dont umderstand why.
I am trying to decode your equations to figure out why you think they apply.

So ##F## is the tension in the right hand cord supporting weight ##P##. You seem to think that this force is applied at an angle ##\alpha## below the horizontal to the sphere.

Can you identify the two angles where the cord meets the sphere above its equator and then departs from the sphere at its equator? What is the average of those two angles?

At what angle, on average, does the contact force of cord on sphere act?
With what net force does it act?
 
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smnjech said:
The thing that makes me confused is that in the solution of the problem stated in the book, the angle of α/2 appears and I do not know why.
Show us the expression in which ##\alpha /2## appears.
 
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Is ##\ell## a rod that connected to the sphere perpendicular and such that they both form a rigid body?
 
wrobel said:
Is ##\ell## a rod that connected to the sphere perpendicular and such that they both form a rigid body?
Yes it is.
 
Then it is indeed a simple application of the torque equation.
 
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Welcome, @smnjech !

Could you identify the terms T and F in the shown equations?

Consider that the string is always wrapping the sphere, for any position.
The force that the string applies on the sphere is always pointing to its center (perpendicular direction to the tangent line formed by both sides of the string).

What is the angle that each of those sides symmetrically form with that tangent line?

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Lnewqban said:
The force that the string applies on the sphere is always pointing to its center
not always but in the absence of friction
 

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