Mechanics -straight line motion

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving straight line motion, specifically focusing on the acceleration of a car described by a sinusoidal function. Participants are tasked with determining the time until the car comes to a halt, the distance traveled, and the maximum speed attained.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to integrate the acceleration function to find velocity and distance, questioning the validity of their results and the handling of constants of integration.
  • Some participants question the integration steps and the assumptions made regarding the constants, particularly in relation to the initial conditions.
  • Others suggest reconsidering the interpretation of the logarithmic function and its implications in the context of the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with multiple interpretations of the integration process being explored. Some participants have offered corrections and alternative approaches, while others are still grappling with the implications of their calculations. There is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or final answers yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating issues related to the undefined nature of logarithmic functions at zero and the implications of constants of integration in their calculations. The problem constraints and the nature of the sinusoidal acceleration function are also under examination.

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Im really puzzled on this question:
A car intially accelerates at a(t) = 1/40 sin((pi x t)/1800) m/sec where t is time. What is the distance traveled in km when the car next comes to a halt. How long has the car been travelling? What is the maximum speed attained by the car?

By integrating the acceleration for velocity and equating this to zero for when the train stops i found t=3600. When integrating again to give an equation for distance traveled by the car i got (45logt)/pi in the equation. Is this correct? If so how should the constant of integration in this equation be found given log0 is undefined? If log0 is taken as zero i get a distance traveled as 50.9m which seems too small. Am i going wrong somewhere?

Also how would i go about finding max speed? Is this when acceleration is zero?
Grateful for anyones help x
 
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I think you've integrated wrong. I get t=900 for when the train stops.
 
You cannot take log0 as 0 because it is undefined! If you sketch the graph of y = logx it does not intersect the y-axis.
 
Ok so i found the time to actually be 900 but i am still having problems finding the distance. When i integrate again to get distance i get
-81000/(pi^2 *t^2)sin((pi*t)/1800), i think this is correct?
However at t=900 the sin part comes out as 1, and so the distance is very small, ~0.01m. This is also a minus number, should the sign just be ignored because it is a distance? I think i am doing something wrong here, or just missing something obvious! Please help x
 
For the intergral of acceleration I get;

[tex]\int a(t) \;\;dt = -\frac{\pi}{72000}\cos\left( \frac{t\pi}{1800} \right)[/tex]

Do you follow and agree?
 
i get -45/(pi*t) as the bit before cos. i divided the 1/40 by (pi*t)/1800 is this wrong?
 
No you're almost right, I apologise, I thought I was differentiating again :frown:, time to get more coffee.

So the correct verson is;
[tex]\int a(t) \;\;dt = -\frac{45}{\pi}\cos\left( \frac{t\pi}{1800} \right)[/tex]

You don't bring the t to the front when intergrating. I suggest you revise trig calculus.
 
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okay, but without t would there not also be a constant of integration in this equation? +45/pi ? due to speed=0 at t=0, and cos0=1
 
There would indeed, you are quite right! My math's tutor is always on at me for my constants :(

That is of course if you assume it is at rest.
 
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ok so with the constant i get that t=3600 when the car stops as cos of angle must =1 so the constant cancels out. I then get the distance traveled when the car stops as 51.6km. Do you agree?

How do you tackle the final part of the question? Is maximum speed at a=0?
 
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Jess1986 said:
ok so with the constant i get that t=3600 when the car stops as cos of angle must =1 so the constant cancels out. I then get the distance traveled when the car stops as 51.6km. Do you agree?

Yes I agree

Jess1986 said:
How do you tackle the final part of the question? Is maximum speed at a=0?

Yes. To check that it is a maximum [itex]a'(t) < 0[/itex] :smile:
 
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thanks very much for your help
 

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