Merging Neutron Stars: What We Know So Far

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the recent rumors regarding LIGO/VIRGO potentially detecting a signal from merging neutron stars, including the possibility of an optical counterpart. Participants explore the implications of such an event, the physics behind neutron star mergers, and the relationship between gravitational waves and electromagnetic signals like gamma rays and X-rays.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that the sudden interest from multiple telescopes suggests a significant event may have been detected, although others express skepticism about the motivations behind this coordinated observation.
  • One participant highlights that the leading hypothesis for short gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) is neutron star mergers, suggesting that if LIGO detected such an event, a gamma-ray counterpart should also be expected.
  • Another participant emphasizes the complexity of neutron stars compared to black holes, arguing that a single gravitational wave signal may not provide enough information to determine the equation of state (EOS) of neutron stars.
  • Concerns are raised about the assumptions underlying the relationship between gravitational wave observations and gamma-ray detections, with some arguing that not all neutron star mergers necessarily produce detectable GRBs.
  • Participants discuss the implications of a potential detection of a short gamma-ray burst (SGRB) coinciding with a gravitational wave event, noting the low probability of such an alignment.
  • There is mention of a recent paper suggesting that if the SGRB is sufficiently close, it could be detected even if the observer is off-axis, which could affect interpretations of the event.
  • Updates from LIGO and Virgo indicate that promising gravitational-wave candidates have been identified, but further validation is needed before any definitive conclusions can be drawn.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of excitement and skepticism regarding the rumors of neutron star mergers. While there is some agreement on the significance of the potential detection, there remains considerable uncertainty about the implications and interpretations of the signals, with multiple competing views on the relationship between gravitational waves and electromagnetic counterparts.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in current models of neutron star interiors and the need for more data to draw firm conclusions about the nature of neutron star mergers and their associated signals.

  • #91
phyzguy said:
From my reading and discussions, it seems that the preferred model is that the SGRB, which occurred approximately 1.7 seconds after the time of merger inferred from the GW signal, is when the BH formed. Was this discussed in the verbal presentation? When you say "very quickly", do you mean on the time scale of seconds?
The 1.7 second delay was explained as primarily due to the last stage of inspiral producing GW of too high frequency to be detected. The occurrence of an SGRB per se says nothing about the nature of the remnant. On the other hand, a remnant NS is expected to be accompanied by a very strong neutrino flux (no, I don’t know why this is so, other papers are referred to; neutrino flux in NS formation from collapse is obvious, but why a merger resulting in NS would have one, I do not know). Then, prior work establishes (again, papers given) that a strong neutrino flux would suppress lanthanide production by the r process. The amount and timing of observed lanthanide production suggests that any NS remnant lasted less than 100 milliseconds before collapsing to a BH.
 
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  • #92
Oh, another finding from the talk (and the paper I linked): the neutron star radii were likely 12 km at most. In the talk, this was said to rule out a number of NS equations of state.
 
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