Merging two chambers of identicle gas

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The problem involves two samples of an ideal gas in adjacent chambers, separated by a thermally insulating partition. The task is to determine the final pressure after the partition is removed and the gases reach a common temperature, given their initial conditions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the ideal gas law and the variables involved, particularly questioning the meaning of 'n' in the equation. There are attempts to express the number of moles for each gas sample and to relate them to the final conditions of the merged chamber.

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Some participants are actively working through the relationships between the variables, while others are clarifying the target variable and the necessary expressions. There is a recognition of a misunderstanding regarding the target variable, leading to a more focused discussion.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of the problem, including the requirement to express the final pressure in terms of the initial conditions and the final temperature, while also considering the negligible volume of the partition.

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Homework Statement


Two samples of the same ideal gas, x and y, are in adjacent chambers, separated by a thermally insulating partition. The initial volumes, pressures and temperatures of the samples are, Vx, Vy, px, py and Tx, Ty. The partition is removed and the single chamber is brought to a final temperature Tf. If the volume occupied by the partition is negligible, what is the final pressure? (Express your answer in terms of Vx, Vy, px, py and Tx, Ty
and Tf)


Homework Equations


Pv = nRT?


The Attempt at a Solution


I honestly have no idea how to even start this one sorry :/
 
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What does n stand for in that equation?
Perhaps you can apply it first to x and y separately and solve for n?
 
n is the number of moles in the camber
for x: n = \frac{P_xV_x}{RT_x}
for y: n = \frac{P_yV_y}{RT_y}

for the new camber (merged): n = \frac{P_yV_y}{RT_y} + \frac{P_xV_x}{RT_x}

so T_f = \frac{P_f(V_x + V_y)}{(\frac{P_yV_y}{RT_y} + \frac{P_xV_x}{RT_x})R}

but then i still can't get Tf as i don't know pf (pressure in joined container)
 
You are almost there. Please re-read the question carefully. What is your target variable, and which variables should you express it in?
 
oh i was trying to find the wrong thing ^^ oh its easy then thankyou
 

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