Thermally isolated cylinder - work done and temperature changes in each chamber

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The problem involves a closed, thermally insulated cylinder divided into two chambers containing an ideal gas. The scenario describes a heating process in one chamber that leads to pressure changes and seeks to determine work done, temperature changes, and heat supplied during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between pressures in the two chambers after heating and the implications of the insulating piston. There are attempts to calculate volumes and work done, with some participants questioning the validity of their approaches due to changing conditions in the system.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some have suggested using adiabatic process principles and integrating pressure with respect to volume, while others express uncertainty about the assumptions regarding temperature independence and its implications for specific heats.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of a thermally isolated system, with specific constraints on the properties of the gas and the nature of the process being adiabatic. There is a noted lack of consensus on how to proceed with calculations given the changing variables involved.

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There is a closed, thermally insulated cylinder, separated into two chambers by a moveable, frictionless, gas-tight, thermally insulating piston.

Initial, the volume of each chamber is 3 liters, and each contains an identical monoatomic ideal gas at pressure of 1 atmosphere and a temperature of 20C. You may assume that all relevant properties of the gas are temperature independent, and that classical equipartition theory is valid.

A heating coil inside chamber A is used to slowly supply heat to the gas in this chamber. This gas expands until equilibrium is reached and the pressure in chamber B is 3.5 atmospheres.

Calculate:
1. The work done on the gas in chamber B.
2. The final temperature of the gas in chamber B.
3. The final temperature of the gas in chamber A.
4. The amount of heat supplied by the heating coil.

Any help with this would be greatly appreciated!
I really have no idea where to start! I've been reading over all of my notes and books, but I can't work out which equation or bit of the question to start with. Thank you so much if you can help with this!
 
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Ok, what can you say about the pressures in the two cylinders once the heating is done?
 
It's until equilibrium is reached, so they'll be the same?
I wasn't sure because the piston is thermally insulating
 
Yes the pressures will be the same. If you calculate the change in volume needed to create a pressure of 3.5 atmospheres in chamber B, a bunch of the answers should fall out. But be careful because both pressure and temperature are dependent on volume.
 
P1V1/P2=V2=8.79 litres

I can then use W=-(P2xV1)-(P2vV2)
=2227.55J?
 
Following this, how do I work out the change in temperature in chamber B?
 
davidray said:
P1V1/P2=V2=8.79 litres

I can then use W=-(P2xV1)-(P2vV2)
=2227.55J?

I'm pretty sure you can't do that. You will need a differential equation.

EDIT: The problem is that nothing is constant. Chamber B experiences a change in pressure volume and temperature. The one thing that you have on your side is that it is an adiabatic process. You will need to use the fact that there is no heat added to the system to relate all of these variables. The key things are that you have a final pressure, and its adiabatic. with these two parameters you should be able to draw a connection.
 
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It's from w=-integral between V1 and V2 (p dV)
That then leads to -[pv]between v1 and v2
which then leads to -[pv1]-[pv2]
?
 
see here is the problem. You want to integrate across all volumes. But the pressure is changing with the volume. in other terms, as you change V, P changes as well. Your equation is one for a constant pressure.
 
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davidray said:
You may assume that all relevant properties of the gas are temperature independent

I don't know what this means.
 
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"You may assume that all relevant properties of the gas are temperature independent."



Teacher is talking about specific heats.
 

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