Basic Thermodynamics: Gas expansion against a vacuum

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The problem involves a rigid tank divided into two partitions, one containing a gas at known specific volume, temperature, and pressure, while the other is a vacuum with a known total volume. The scenario describes the removal of the partition and the addition of heat to maintain constant pressure, raising questions about the final state of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the challenge of determining intensive properties for the final system given the initial conditions and the vacuum state. There is an exploration of using the ideal gas equations, with some questioning how to find the final temperature without knowing certain variables. Others suggest calculating the gas constant R using pre-expansion data.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing suggestions for finding R and questioning the relationships between the known and unknown variables. There is recognition of potential contradictions in the problem statement regarding the known volumes.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of information regarding the total mass and the relative sizes of the partitions, which complicates the analysis of the final temperature and other properties of the system.

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Homework Statement


Okay, so the problem given is that there is a rigid tank with a partition down the middle. For partition A, the specific volume, the temperature, and therefore the pressure is known. The mass, or total volume is not known.
Partition B is a vacuum for which the total volume is known.

Temp A = 300 degrees C
Pressure A = 200 kPa
Specific Volume A = 1.31623 m^3/kg

Volume B = 0.2 m^3

Then the partition is removed, and heat is added to the final system so that it remains at a constant pressure. The gas can be modeled as ideal.

Homework Equations


Pv = RT
PV = mRT
du = Cv*dT
dh = Cp*dT

The Attempt at a Solution



My problem is that I don't see how to find any intensive properties for the final system, because partition A is all in intensive properties, and partition B is defined by extensive properties... I can't think of any approach to this problem. I understand that the work done is zero, because it is an ideal gas expanding against a vacuum. I'm currently trying to understand the process as two parts, a gas expanding into a vacuum doing no work, with temperature constant, and volume increasing while pressure decreases. Then heat is added to increase the pressure back to the original value, increasing the temperature as well. But without knowing the relative sizes of the partitions, or the total mass involved for this process, how can the final temperature of the equilibrated system be found??
 
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First find R for this gas using the pre-expansion data. Then use that value for R in determining the final temperature after expansion.

AM
 
Can you explain a little bit more?

Since P is known for the final state, and R is known, but neither V, v, or T is known, how would you solve for Temperature in PV = mRT or Pv = RT?


Thank you for the reply.
 
irate_turtles said:
Can you explain a little bit more?

Since P is known for the final state, and R is known, but neither V, v, or T is known, how would you solve for Temperature in PV = mRT or Pv = RT?
You also know how the original volume is related to the final volume. (hint: the partition is down the middle).

AM
 
If the partition is "down the middle", then volume B IS known, so we have a contradiction in the problem's stating.

Anyway: what exactly are you supposed to determine?
 

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