How Does Heat Addition Affect Gas Behavior in a Dual-Chamber Cylinder?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a dual-chamber cylinder with an adiabatic piston, where heat is added to one chamber containing CO2 while the other contains N2. The problem requires calculating various thermodynamic properties after heat addition and pressure changes.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate final states for both chambers after heat addition, using the ideal gas law and polytropic process equations. Some participants question the appropriateness of the polytropic index n provided in the problem, noting discrepancies with typical values for the gases involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing feedback on the calculations and questioning the assumptions made, particularly regarding the value of n and the nature of the heat addition process. There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the calculations yet.

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Participants note that the teacher's provided value for n may not align with standard values for the gases, and there is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the problem's setup and the teacher's approach to the material.

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Homework Statement


-We have a cylinder with two chambers separated by an adiabatic piston. The external walls are adiabatics but left wall is diatermana. Friction produced by the piston moving is absorbed by the right system. Inicially gas conditions are the same for both ( in the left chamber CO2, 500 litres, 1 Bar, 27 ºC, and in right chamber N2 with the same conditions).
We add heat (by an exterior focus with constant temperature of 900ºK) through diatemana wall and piston moving until pressure in right chamber is 2 Bar. Left system is a polytropic process with n = -2. We assume gases are perfect.
Calculate:
a) P,T,V in final equilibrium in both chambers
b) ΔU , heat and work in left chamber
c) ΔU , heat and work in right chamber
d) Expansion work and friction work in right chamber

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The Attempt at a Solution


a) First I find moles for both gases and It`s the same 20.32 moles.
Final pressure in both chambers is 2 Bar. To calculate final temperature in left chamber I used T_2=T_1(P_2/P_1)^{n-1/n}and it is T_2=848,52 ºK.
For the volume P_1(V_1)^n=P_2(V_2)^n and it is V_2= 707,1 Litres
For the right chamber: Total volume of the cylinder is 1000 litres and doesn´t change, so V_t=V_{1f}-V_{2f}, 1000=707,1-V_{2f}, V_{2f}=292,9 litres now I used PV=NRT to calculate final temperature in right chamber T=351,57 ºK.
b) To calculate ΔU, I use ΔU= N Cv(Tf-Ti) and ΔU=229.0788 Kj after
W_{exp}=NR(T_f-T_i)/1-n and W_{exp}=30.8901 Kj Now I calculate Q
Q= ΔU+W_{exp}=198.1887 Kj

I don´t know if it´s ok?
Thank you
 
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You have followed it through well.

The only thing that bothers me about this calculation is the value of 2 for n.
Where did this come from?

I have
For carbon dioxide n=1.2
For nitrogen n=1.4

Incidentally I apologise for confusing Italian with Spanish before.
The English word is diathermanous.

go well
 
Hello Studiot,thank you for your reply.The n value is an exercise data,is given by the teacher,I suppose it`s invented. Thank you to correct diathermanous word.
Best regards
 
Seems a bit pointless stating the gas, then supplying the wrong value of the ratio of specific heats.

Further, I presume you realize that the stated conditions are instantaneous?
With the heat source specified the gas in the left chamber would continue to heat up until its temperature was the same as the heat source.

I normally expect to see given information used (needed) in some way in a question. Does your teacher not do this?
 
Hello, unfortunaly we have a very bad teacher for this subject.
Thank you
 

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