Mermin's One-Measurement Refutation of Local Hidden Variables

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The discussion revolves around Mermin's argument against local hidden variables, specifically focusing on the possibility of refuting such theories with a single measurement or a limited number of measurements, contrasting this with Bell's Inequality which requires multiple measurements for statistical analysis. The conversation touches on theoretical implications in quantum mechanics and interpretations of nonlocality.

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  • One participant recalls an argument attributed to David Mermin that purportedly refutes local hidden variables with a single measurement, contrasting it with Bell's Inequality.
  • Another participant references an argument by von Neumann and Bell regarding the measurement of spin sums, suggesting that hidden variable theories would not align with quantum predictions.
  • A later reply suggests that the discussion may relate to the GHZ and Hardy proofs of nonlocality, which Mermin reviewed and simplified, indicating that these proofs involve equalities that could disprove local hidden variables with fewer measurements.

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Participants express differing views on the specific arguments and proofs related to Mermin's refutation of local hidden variables. There is no consensus on the exact nature of the argument or its implications.

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The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the specific details of Mermin's argument and its relation to other known proofs of nonlocality, such as those by GHZ and Hardy. The participants do not fully resolve the connections between these arguments.

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I remember an argument, I think due to David Mermin, that refutes local hidden variables in a single measurement (as opposed to Bell's Inequality, which requires gathering statistics of many measurements). I know that's not a lot to go on, but I'm wondering if this rings a bell (no pun intended)? The idea was that there was a single measurement (or maybe a fixed finite number of measurements) such that the prediction of any local hidden variables theory was one thing, and the prediction of quantum mechanics was something else.
 
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I think there is one argument due to von Neumann and taken again by Bell : if you measure the sum let say spin_x+spin_z, then a hidden variable would have to associate 1 and -1 for each spin, but the sum has eigenvalue sqrt(2) which is not the sum of the hidden variable result. Was it that ?
 
No, I don't think that was it. As I said, I think it was a more recent argument due to David Mermin.
 
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I remember an argument, I think due to David Mermin, that refutes local hidden variables in a single measurement (as opposed to Bell's Inequality, which requires gathering statistics of many measurements). I know that's not a lot to go on, but I'm wondering if this rings a bell (no pun intended)? The idea was that there was a single measurement (or maybe a fixed finite number of measurements) such that the prediction of any local hidden variables theory was one thing, and the prediction of quantum mechanics was something else.
You are probably talking about GHZ and Hardy proofs of nonlocality, which were reviewed and simplified by Mermin. The GHZ and Hardy proofs involve equalities rather than inequalities, such that only a few measurements are sufficient to disprove them, in agreement with quantum mechanics.
 
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