Metal sphere on a thread in a horizontal electric field

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The problem involves a charged metal sphere suspended by a thread in a horizontal electric field, initially at a 45-degree angle. The question focuses on determining the new angle of the thread after reducing the sphere's charge by 40%.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between gravitational force and electric force, exploring how changes in charge affect the angle of the thread. There is an attempt to derive equations relating the forces and angles involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, deriving equations and substituting values. Some have suggested combining equations for different charge states to find the new angle, while others are clarifying the implications of the charge reduction on the angle.

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There is a focus on maintaining significant figures in the final answer, reflecting the precision of the given data. Participants are also considering the implications of their calculations and the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



Charged metal sphere hanging on an isolated thread of negligible mass is put in a homogeneous horizontal electric field so that the thread makes a 45 degree angle with the el. field. What angle does the thread with the sphere close with the el. field after we remove 40% of the charge from the sphere?

Homework Equations



1. ##F_g=mg##
2. ##F_g=T \cdot \sin(45)##
3. ##F_{el}=T \cdot \cos (45)##

I have provided image of force diagram.

The Attempt at a Solution



I can substitute ##F_g## from equation 1 into equation 2 and get:
##mg=T \cdot \sin(45)##

Then I find expression for T in equation 3:
##T=\frac{F_{el}}{\cos (45)}##

and substitute it into second equation:
##mg=\frac{F_{el}}{\cos (45)} \cdot \sin(45)##
##mg=F_{el} \cdot \tan(45)##

I can express electric force as a product of electric field and charge of sphere:
##mg=q \cdot E \cdot \tan(45)##

I haven't gotten further than this. How do I show what happens with an angle when the charge is reduced 40%?
 

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steroidjunkie said:
I can express electric force as a product of electric field and charge of sphere:
##mg=q \cdot E \cdot \tan(45)##
This equation looks good. Note that your derivation would work for any angle, not just for 45 degrees. If ##\theta_2## is the angle you are looking for, how would you write your equation with 45 degrees replaced by ##\theta_2##?
 
Well, I could substitute ##\Theta_2##:
##mg=q \cdot E \cdot \tan(\Theta_2)##
##\tan(\Theta_{2})=\frac{mg}{q \cdot E}##
##\Theta_2=\arctan \frac{mg}{q \cdot E}##

What do I do now? Do I just say that ##\Theta_2## is 60% of 45 degrees which is 27 degrees?
 
steroidjunkie said:
Well, I could substitute ##\Theta_2##:
##mg=q \cdot E \cdot \tan(\Theta_2)##
##\tan(\Theta_{2})=\frac{mg}{q \cdot E}##
##\Theta_2=\arctan \frac{mg}{q \cdot E}##
OK. Here ##q## is the charge corresponding to ##\theta_2##.

What do I do now? Do I just say that ##\Theta_2## is 60% of 45 degrees which is 27 degrees?
No. You have two equations, one for the initial charge ##q_1## and one for the final charge ##q_2##. Combine them to find ##\theta_2##.
 
OK, than:

##\tan 45=\frac{m \cdot g}{q_1 \cdot E}##
##\tan \Theta_2=\frac{m \cdot g}{q_2 \cdot E}##

##q_1=q, q_2=q_1-40\%=q-0.4q=0.6q####\tan 45=\frac{m \cdot g}{q \cdot E}##
##\tan \Theta_2=\frac{m \cdot g}{0.6 \cdot q \cdot E}##

##q \cdot \tan 45=\frac{m \cdot g}{E}##
##0.6 q \cdot \tan \Theta_2=\frac{m \cdot g}{E}##

I equate the two equations:
##0.6 q \cdot \tan \Theta_2=q \cdot \tan 45##

##\tan \Theta_2=\frac{\tan 45}{0.6}##

##\tan \Theta_2=\frac{1}{0.6}##

##\tan \Theta_2=\frac{5}{3}##

##\Theta_2=59^{\circ} 04'##

I'm sorry for writing minutes the way I did. I couldn't find a proper code.
 
OK. Good work.

My calculator gives the answer as a decimal number of 59.04o.
.04 degree is about 2 minutes.

Considering that the 45 degrees is given to 2 significant figures, it would probably be best to express the answer as 59o or maybe 59.0o.
 
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You're right. It's 2 minutes, and not 4 minutes. Thank you very much for helping me.
 

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