Meteorology/Atmospheric Physics Textbook for Physics Undergrad Seniors

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding suitable meteorology textbooks for undergraduate seniors with a solid physics background, particularly focusing on tornadoes and atmospheric science. Participants seek recommendations for recent, detailed resources that go beyond introductory material.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a need for higher-level meteorology textbooks that explain tornadoes in detail, noting a lack of resources at their university.
  • Another participant suggests "Atmospheric Dynamics" by U. Achatz as a potential resource, emphasizing its focus on hydrodynamics in atmospheric physics.
  • A different participant recommends looking at universities with meteorology programs to find textbooks used in their courses, suggesting inter-library loans as a way to access these materials.
  • One participant mentions "Introduction to Dynamic Meteorology" by Holton as a useful text from their own experience, comparing its level to Griffith's book on electrodynamics, although noting it lacks specific content on tornadoes.
  • There is a side discussion about the relevance of atmospheric science courses to participants' backgrounds, particularly in relation to electrical engineering and research interests in the ionosphere and magnetosphere.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on specific textbook recommendations, and multiple views on suitable resources and approaches to finding them are presented.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference older textbooks and personal experiences, which may not reflect the most current resources available. There is also a mention of varying levels of detail and focus in the suggested texts, particularly regarding tornadoes.

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Hi! I am looking for a (recent - about 2020 or sooner but anything is welcome) meteorology textbook that actually explains things in detail. I am specifically interested in tornadoes like everyone else, but I have a solid physics background and want to actually learn about them. Does anyone know of some higher-level textbooks that talk about this? Or other resources that explain atmospheric science?

Everything I find online is for children, and my university doesn't have a meteorology or atmospheric division so I can't ask anyone here. I would love any advice or recommendations! Thank you!
 
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I'm not sure, whether this is one is of the type you look for. It's about using hydrodynamics to the physics of the atmosphere. It's a book grown from lecture notes for undergrads in meteorology at Goethe University Frankfurt, Germany:

U. Achatz, Atmospheric Dynamics, Springer (2022)
https://doi.org/10.1007/978-3-662-63941-2
 
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magiladd said:
my university doesn't have a meteorology or atmospheric division so I can't ask anyone here. I would love any advice or recommendations!
Maybe find some universities that do have such classes and programs, and look at the class descriptions to see what textbooks they are using. Then you can use your university library to borrow the books (either they will have them or they can use inter-library loans).
 
magiladd said:
Hi! I am looking for a (recent - about 2020 or sooner but anything is welcome) meteorology textbook that actually explains things in detail. I am specifically interested in tornadoes like everyone else, but I have a solid physics background and want to actually learn about them. Does anyone know of some higher-level textbooks that talk about this? Or other resources that explain atmospheric science?

Everything I find online is for children, and my university doesn't have a meteorology or atmospheric division so I can't ask anyone here. I would love any advice or recommendations! Thank you!

Searching the Cambridge University Press website for "tornado" turned up these:

Hakim, G., & Patoux, J. (2021). Weather: A Concise Introduction (2nd ed.). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/9781108963688
https://www.cambridge.org/highereducation/books/weather/42B4BEA117A04B14E165DE0A18FBEBB4Trapp, R. (2013). Mesoscale-Convective Processes in the Atmosphere. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. doi:10.1017/CBO9781139047241 https://www.cambridge.org/core/book...e-atmosphere/0314457B99ACE8AEFB5D0520A23A8F49
 
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When I was in school (~30 years ago) the atmospheric science department used Introduction to Dynamic Meteorology by Holton for their 3rd year course on fluids. It is basically at the level of Griffith's book on electrodynamics so should be very accessible. I don't recall it having much material on hurricanes or tornados, but it seemed to be a reasonable text to learn the basics. I never took the course, but I found the book somewhat useful as a supplement to a grad-level planetary atmospheres & ionospheres course I took that did not follow any textbook.

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supplement to a grad-level planetary atmospheres & ionospheres course I took
Interesting -- what does a PhD EE like yourself take such a class for? General interest, or did it apply to your PhD studies in some way? Just curious... :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Interesting -- what does a PhD EE like yourself take such a class for? General interest, or did it apply to your PhD studies in some way? Just curious... :smile:
I was in a research group that primarily studied the Earth's ionosphere and magnetosphere, although some work was also in upper atmospheric physics and lightning. There are a number of such groups around the US, some of which are/were in EE departments (Stanford, Illinois, Michigan, Dartmouth, Cornell, Penn State, etc). Not sure what the history is of the various groups around the country, but I think the one I was in started with plasma physicists that had been working on vacuum tubes moving over to study radiowave propagation in the ionosphere when solid-state devices started to become more important than tubes.

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