Metric Tensor and frames (wrt prof.susskind's lectures)

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The discussion revolves around the concept of tensors, particularly in the context of relativity as presented in Professor Susskind's lectures. Participants explore the nature of tensors, their invariance across different coordinate systems, and the relationship between tensors and their components in various frames. The scope includes theoretical understanding and mathematical representation of tensors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the definition of tensors, questioning whether they remain unchanged across different coordinate systems and noting a lack of strong understanding of the concept.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the components of a tensor change with different coordinate systems, the physical representation of the tensor itself remains constant.
  • A further explanation is provided regarding vectors, stating that they can be expressed as a summation of scalar components and unit vectors, which also change with coordinate systems, but the overall representation remains the same.
  • One participant emphasizes the distinction between the geometric object of a tensor and its components in a specific basis, noting that the components change with the coordinate basis while the tensor itself does not.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the nature of tensors and their components, but there remains uncertainty and differing interpretations regarding the implications of changing coordinate systems and the definition of invariance.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of tensors and the definitions of coordinate systems, which are not fully resolved.

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my exploration of relativity followed by first reading various books which failed to explain to me how relativity worked but built a strong feel of how one can think about it. after which i decided to take the mathematical way of understanding it for which i am going on with the prof susskind's lecture

a quick doubt in it , in allmost all the first few parts of the series he says that tensor is a quantity that remains unchanged in different coordinates (is it ?) but derives the equation relating metric tensor in one frame and another coordinate frame. my understanding of tensor isn't that much strong.



PS: i think the first statement i made is wrong, as far as i conceive tensors i guess they are not constant for all frames.( as vector is a scalar and even it does change when moving from one flat coordinate to another curved surface coordinate (again does it ?) )
 
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A tensor is just a generalization of a vector. Its components change from one coordinate system (frame) to another, but the vector itself doesn't (i.e. its magnitude - what it "physically represents" is the same in all frames).
 
A vector can be represented as the summation of (scalar) components times unit vectors in the coordinate directions. If you change coordinate systems, both the components of the vector and the unit vectors for the new coordinate system are different from those for the old coordinate system, but the sum of the components times the unit vectors are the same for both coordinate systems. In the case of a second order tensor, we can represent it as the summation of (scalar) components times combinations of the coordinate unit vectors taken two at a time (so called dyadics). This summation does not change when you change coordinate systems.
 
santo35 said:
in allmost all the first few parts of the series he says that tensor is a quantity that remains unchanged in different coordinates (is it ?) but derives the equation relating metric tensor in one frame and another coordinate frame.
A tensor is a geometric quantity that remains unchanged in different coordinates.

Tensors can be represented in terms of a set of basis vectors at each point. When you do that you can talk about the components of the tensor in that basis. It is important to make a mental distinction between the tensor and the components of the tensor in a given basis.

There are an infinite number of possible basis sets. The most common basis is the so-called coordinate basis. When you talk about tensors changing in different coordinates what you are really talking about are the components of the tensors under the coordinate basis of the different coordinate system. The geometric object is not changing, but the coordinate basis is, and therefore the components.
 

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