Minimum Velocity for Pendulum to Clear Arc

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The problem involves a pendulum with a mass M at the end of a mass-less rod, which is struck by a bullet of mass m. The objective is to determine the minimum velocity v of the bullet required for the pendulum to clear the top of its arc after the collision.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the relationship between the bullet's velocity and the pendulum's motion using conservation of momentum and energy principles. Some participants question the assumption that the velocity of the mass M at the top of the arc is zero, while others suggest re-evaluating the energy expressions used in the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the energy conservation approach and questioning specific steps in the original poster's calculations. There is an indication of potential errors in the reasoning, particularly regarding the velocity at the top of the arc and the transition from v^2 to v.

Contextual Notes

Participants are examining the implications of the pendulum's motion and the energy transformations involved, with some noting the need for clarity on the assumptions made about the system's behavior at the top of the arc.

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Homework Statement



A pendulum consists of mass M hanging at the bottom of a mass-less rod of length L with a frictionless pivot at its top. A bullet of mass m and velocity v collides with M and gets embedded. What is the smallest velocity v of the bullet sufficient to cause the pendulum with the bullet to clear the top of the arc.

Homework Equations



[tex]mv=(m+M)v'[/tex]
[tex]KE=\frac{1}{2}(m+M)v'^2[/tex]
[tex]PE=(m+M)gh[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found out the velocity of the moving block.

[tex]mv=(m+M)v'[/tex]
[tex]\frac{mv}{(m+M)}=v'[/tex]

and [tex]KE_{bottom}=PE_{top}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(m+M)v'^2=(m+M)g(2L)[/tex]

plug in [tex]v'[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(m+M)\frac{{m^2}{v^2}}{(m+M)^2}=(m+M)2gL[/tex]

cancel out [tex](m+M)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{1}{2}\frac{{m^2}{v^2}}{(m+M)}=(m+M)2gL[/tex]

cross multiply

[tex]{m^2}{v^2}={(m+M)^2}2gL[/tex]

divide by [tex]m^2[/tex]

[tex]v^2=\frac{{(m+M)^2}2gL}{m^2}}[/tex]

[tex]v=\frac{(m+M)\sqrt{4gL}}{m}[/tex]

[tex]v=\frac{(m+M)\sqrt{4}\sqrt{gL}}{m}[/tex]

[tex]v=\frac{(m+M)2\sqrt{gL}}{m}[/tex]
 
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At the top of the arc, the velocity of M is not equal to zero because it clears the top.
 
but is it more or less correct?
 
The total energy at the top is
(m + M)*2gL + 1/2*(m + M)*v"^2
At the top acceleration v"^2/L = g. Or v"^2 = Lg. Sustitute this value in the above expression.
One more mistake.
Check the step from v^2 to v.
 

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