Minimum work to transport electron?

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The problem involves calculating the minimum work required to transport an electron from point B to point A in the presence of a charged ring and a fixed point charge at the center. The context includes concepts from electrostatics, specifically electric potential and work done by an external force.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the contributions of the ring's charge to the electric potential at points A and B, questioning whether the same potential applies at both locations. There is also exploration of relevant equations for calculating potential and work, with some participants suggesting the use of Gauss's law for the ring.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants raising questions about the calculations and the assumptions regarding the contributions of the ring to the potential. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of relevant equations, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of using different charge values in their calculations and the implications of non-constant forces during the transport of the electron. There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct application of electrostatic principles in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement


A charge Q = -820 nC is uniformly distributed on a ring of 2.4 m radius. A point charge q = +530 nC is fixed at the center of the ring. Points A and B are located on the axis of the ring, as shown in the figure. What is the minimum work that an external force must do to transport an electron from B to A?
(e = 1.60 × 10^-19 C, k = 1/4πε_0 = 8.99 × 10^9 N · m^2/C^2)

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Homework Equations


V = (k*q)/(sqrt(R^2 + z^2))
work = (V_b - V_a)*q
work = (k*q_1*q_2)/r

The Attempt at a Solution


V_B = (9*10^9*530*10^(-9))/(3.2) = 1490.625 V
V_A = (9*10^9*530*10^(-9))/(1.8) = 2650 V
V_B - V_A = -1159.375 V

(V_B - V_A)*q, where q = 1.60*10^-19 C
(-1159.375)*(1.60*10^-19) = -1.855*10^-16 J

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use -820 nC or 530 nC for the q value when calculating V_B or V_A.
 

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qlzlahs said:
V_B = (9*10^9*530*10^(-9))/(3.2) = 1490.625 V

Does the ring also contribute to the potential at point B?
 
TSny said:
Does the ring also contribute to the potential at point B?

I was assuming that if the ring contributes to the potential at point A, it would to point B as well.
 
qlzlahs said:
I was assuming that if the ring contributes to the potential at point A, it would to point B as well.
The same amount at both points?
 
So.. How do I know how much potential there is at point B?
 
Look at your list of relevant equations.
 
TSny said:
Look at your list of relevant equations.

Do I use the equation V = (k*q)/(sqrt(R^2 + z^2)) for both points A and B? With R = 2.4 and z = 1.8 for A, and z = 3.2 m for B?
 
Coulomb's law, F=kQ1Q2/r^2
Work=Fr
Since F is not constant between A and B, we have to calculate based on small distances dr so that F is constant within it.
dW=F(r)dr

Edit
You have to apply Gauss law too for the ring.
 
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azizlwl said:
Coulomb's law, F=kQ1Q2/r^2
Work=Fr
Since F is not constant between A and B, we have to calculate based on small distances dr so that F is constant within it.
dW=F(r)dr

Edit
You have to use Gauss law too for the ring.
Why would he want to use Gauss's law for this question? Work is equal to change in potential energy since ##\Delta K=0##, i.e. ##W=\Delta U=q\Delta V##, in this case ##q## is the electron. Note that for continuous charge distributions(Like the ring of charge): ##V=\frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_0}\int\frac{dq}{r}##
 

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