Electrostatic Potential / Work Question?

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The problem involves calculating the distance a second electron, initially positioned at 20 m on the x-axis with a velocity towards the origin, approaches the origin when influenced by the electrostatic potential created by a proton and another electron positioned at -1 m and +1 m, respectively. The subject area includes electrostatics and energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of potential energy and kinetic energy, questioning the relevance of the initial speed of the electron in determining how close it comes to the origin. Some express uncertainty about the necessity of including kinetic energy in their calculations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have reached a numerical answer but are exploring the reasoning behind their calculations, particularly regarding the initial kinetic energy's role. There is an ongoing inquiry into the methods used and whether certain assumptions were valid.

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Homework Statement


An electron and a proton are held on an x axis, with the electron at x = + 1.000 m and the proton at x = - 1.000 m. If a second electron is initially at 20 m on the x axis, and given an initial velocity of 350 m/s towards the origin, it does not reach it. How close to the origin does it come?

Homework Equations


U = k q1 q2 / r
W = q ∫ E dl
E = F / q
KE = .5mv^2

The Attempt at a Solution


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I'm not quite sure how to approach this problem...

Calculate potential energy of the second electron:
U = k q1 q2 / r
U = (k * (1.6 * 10^-19) ^2 / 19) - (k * (1.6 * 10^-19) ^2 / 21)
U = 1.16*10^-30

Calculate initial kinetic energy
KE = .5mv^2
KE = .5 * 9.11 * 10 ^-31 * 350^2
KE = 5.58 * 10^-26

Calculate work needed to be done to bring it to the origin
not very sure about this part
W = q ∫ E dl
since all of this is done on x-axis I think the equation will simplify to W = qEx ?
E = kq / r
E = (9 * 10^9 * 1.6 * 10^-19 / 21) - (9 * 10^9 * 1.6 * 10^-19 / 19)
E = -7.22 * 10 ^-12
W = 2.3* 10^-29

From here I'm not quite sure how to continue...
 
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I got the right answer through U / qE = x
Answer was 1.004 m

But can someone explain why I didn't need to use the initial speed of the electron? (Or did I actually need it and just got the right answer by chance?) Thank you
 
lightofthemoon said:
I got the right answer through U / qE = x
Answer was 1.004 m

But can someone explain why I didn't need to use the initial speed of the electron? (Or did I actually need it and just got the right answer by chance?) Thank you
It is not clear what you did to get the answer. In your original attempt you calculated the initial KE. Did you use that?
Please post all your working.
 
No, I didn't use the initial KE at all.

Work to bring the particle to the origin = qEx
So I set U=qEx and solved for x (how far it would get to the origin)
x = U / qE
E = kq / r E = (9 * 10^9 * 1.6 * 10^-19 / 21) - (9 * 10^9 * 1.6 * 10^-19 / 19)
E = -7.22 * 10 ^-12
U = k q1 q2 / r
U = (k * (1.6 * 10^-19) ^2 / 19) - (k * (1.6 * 10^-19) ^2 / 21)
U = 1.16*10^-30

1.16*10^-30 / (-1.6 * 10^-19 * -7.22 * 10 ^-12 ) = x
x = 1.004 m
 

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