ML-inequality, Estimation of Line Integrals

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The discussion revolves around proving that the integral of a bounded vector function along a curve satisfies the inequality |∫C F · dr| ≤ ML, where M is the bound on the magnitude of F and L is the length of the curve C. Participants clarify that the magnitude |F| is a scalar and discuss how to apply properties of integrals to simplify the expression. They establish that the integral can be expressed as ∫|F| dr, leading to the conclusion that this integral is less than or equal to ML due to the boundedness condition. The conversation emphasizes understanding the definitions and properties of integrals and vector functions in this context. The proof is successfully completed by applying these concepts.
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Let ##\vec{F}## be a vector function defined on a curve C. Let ##|\vec{F}|## be bounded, say, ##|\vec{F}| ≤ M## on C, where ##M## is some positive number. Show that ##|\int\limits_C\ \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r}| ≤ ML ## (L=Length of C).Attempt at a Solution:

I honestly have no idea where to start with this one. It's not really clear to me exactly what the question is asking me to show.

I understand we have this vector function ##\vec{F}=F_1 \hat{i} + F_2 \hat{j} + F_3 \hat{k} ##, and that's about it... What does it mean to say that the magnitude ##|\vec{F}| ## is "bounded" in such a way that ##|\vec{F}| ≤ M##? Are we imposing a restriction here?
 
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Bring the absolute values within the integral then this |F| in the integral is smaller than ||F||_\infty. What remains is a simple line integral.
 
Is this what you're saying?

##|\int\limits_C\ \vec{F} \cdot d\vec{r}| ≤ \int\limits_C\ | \vec{F} | \cdot d\vec{r} ##
 
Any help guys?
 
Wouldn't ## |\vec{F}|## be a scalar? In which case taking the dot product is undefined in ##\int |\vec{F}| \cdot d\vec{r} ##?
 
yes, the norm of {\mathbf{F}} is a scalar, so your comment about the dot product with d {\mathbf{r}} is correct. If the norm of {\mathbf{F}} is a scalar, what can you do to simplify
<br /> \int_C {\mathbf{F}} \, d{\mathbf{r}} \text{ ?}<br />

and what remains when you do simplify it? (Hint: it is here where you'll use the assumption that |\mathbf{F}| \le M.)
 
I'm not really sure how ## \int_C {\mathbf{F}} \, d{\mathbf{r}} ## can be simplified. Can you be more specific?
 
From calculus, you can prove that for smooth ##f(x)## defined on the curve C, (which is in the domain of f(x)) then $$\left|\int f(x)\, dx \right| \leq \int \left| f(x) \right|\,dx$$
Apply this to your problem.
 
I understand that ## \left|\int f(x)\, dx \right| \leq \int \left| f(x) \right| dx\,##, I don't see how that can be applied to this line integral.
 
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wifi said:
I understand that ## \left|\int f(x)\, dx \right| \leq \int \left| f(x) \right|\,##, I don't see how that can be applied to this line integral.

##|\underline{F}|## is a scalar. How can you reexpress ##\int |\underline{F}|\,d\underline{r}##?
 
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In the integral ##\int |\vec{F}| \cdot d\vec{r}##, isn't ## |\vec{F}| \cdot d\vec{r} ## undefined since the dot product is an operation between two vectors?
 
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wifi said:
In the integral ##\int |\vec{F}| \cdot d\vec{r}##, isn't ## |\vec{F}| \cdot d\vec{r} ## undefined since the dot product is an operation between two vectors?

It is, but the integral in my last post does not include a dot product.
If ##k## is a scalar, then ##\int k f(x) dx = ?##
Once you make this step, use the condition of the boundedness of f.
 
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## \int k f(x) dx = k\int f(x)dx ##. So I think you're trying to say ## \int |\vec{F}| d\vec{r} = |\vec{F}| \int d\vec{r}##. Right?
 
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wifi said:
## \int k f(x) dx = k\int f(x)dx ##. So I think you're trying to say ## \int |\vec{F}| d\vec{r} = |\vec{F}| \int d\vec{r}##. Right?

Right. Now use the boundedness of ##|\underline{F}|## and evaluate ##\int_C d \underline{r}##
 
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So since we know that ##|\vec{F}| \leq M## and ##\int d\vec{r}=L## , we have ## \int |\vec{F}| d\vec{r} = |\vec{F}| \int d\vec{r} \leq M \int d\vec{r} = ML##. Yes?
 
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wifi said:
So since we know that ##|\vec{F}| \leq M## and ##\int d\vec{r}=L##, we have ## \int |\vec{F}| d\vec{r} = |\vec{F}| \int d\vec{r} \leq M \int d\vec{r} = ML##. Yes?

Yes, you are done.
 
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CAF123, you're the best!
 

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