Modeling mass-spring-dashpot system

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The discussion revolves around a mass-spring-dashpot system characterized by specific parameters (m, c, k) and initial conditions (x(0), x'(0)). Participants are tasked with finding the smallest time t>0 for which the displacement x(t) equals zero, utilizing a differential equation approach.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation and its characteristic equation. There are attempts to derive the general solution and apply initial conditions to find constants A and B. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the general solution and the method to solve for when x(t) equals zero.

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Some participants express confidence in their calculations of constants A and B, while others suggest revisiting the general solution due to perceived errors. There is a mix of interpretations regarding the approach to solving for x(t) = 0, with some participants providing alternative methods for consideration.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings and discrepancies in values calculated, as well as the complexity of the solution process. There is an acknowledgment of the need to clarify certain aspects of the general solution before proceeding further.

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Homework Statement


Suppose that the mass in a mass-spring-dashpot system with m = 25, c = 10, and k = 226 is set in motion with x(0) = 2 and x'(0) = 4. Find the smallest time t>0 for which x(t) = 0

Homework Equations


mx'' + cx' + kx = 0

The Attempt at a Solution


I rushed through this a bit due to lack of time today so there may be mistakes, I just need to be sure I'm doing this correctly.

The differential equation is: 25x'' + 10x' + 226x = 0
Which has the characteristic equation: 25r2 + 10r + 226 = 0
with roots: r = -(1/5) +/- 3i

Giving the general solution:
x(t) = e-(1/5)t(Acos(3t) + Bsin(3t))

Plugging in the initial conditions:
x(0) = 2 = A

x'(t) = -(1/5)Ae-(1/5)tcos(3t) -3A e-(1/5)tsin(3t) - (1/5)e-(1/5)tsin(3t) + 3Be-(1/5)tcos(3t)

x'(0) = 4 = -(1/5)(2) + 3B
B = 22/15

Finding combined solution:
x(t) = Ce-(1/5)tcos(3t-a)

C = (A2 + B2)1/2 = 3(346)1/2/15

a = tan-1(B/A) = 0.6327 radians

x(t) = (3(346)1/2/15)e-(1/5)tcos(3t - 0.6327)

If this is right (it seems too messy, might have messed up), how would I solve it when equal to zero?
 
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Kavorka said:
Giving the general solution:
x(t) = e-(1/5)t(Acos(3t) + Bsin(3t))
For which you find A and B correctly A correctly.The first factor is > 0, so basically all you want to solve is
Acos(3t) + Bsin(3t) = 0​
And that's not so hard.

And if you want the other form, same thing: solving cos(3t - atan(B/A)) = 0 should be enough -- and give the same result :rolleyes:

Something's wrong with your general solution, though, so fix that first !
 
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I checked again, and with Wolfram, and I did get A and B right. C should be 2(346)^0.5 /15 though. When I solve cos(3t - 0.6327) = 0, I get t = 0.7345 which isn't right. This answer x2 is right though, and I'm not sure why.

Edit: misunderstanding, my answer is right.
 
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Yeah, B was 62/45. Well done!
 

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