Modeling of pendulum with external horizontal force

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The discussion revolves around the modeling of a pendulum subjected to an external horizontal force, specifically a constant wind. The original poster presents the dynamic equation of the pendulum and questions the inclusion of the length of the string in the term associated with the external force.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to understand why the length of the string appears in the external force term of the pendulum's equation of motion. Some participants suggest that the inclusion of length is necessary for dimensional consistency with other terms in the equation. Others explore the implications of splitting forces into radial and normal components and consider the role of torque in the dynamics of the pendulum.

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Participants are engaged in exploring the reasoning behind the formulation of the equation of motion, with some providing insights into the dimensional analysis and the physical interpretation of forces acting on the pendulum. There is no explicit consensus yet, but the discussion is productive in clarifying the relationships between the forces and the pendulum's motion.

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The original poster expresses confusion about the role of the length of the string in the external force term, indicating a potential gap in understanding the physical principles at play. The discussion also touches on the use of different coordinate systems in deriving equations of motion.

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In general, I know that the dynamic equation of pendulum is

theta'' + (k/m)*thata' + (g/l)*sin(theta) = 0

, where k=friction co, m=mass, l=length of string, g=gravity.

But if the pendulum is placed in a constant draft, the equation has to be changed.

Assuming that the pendulum is suspended in a constant horizontal wind,

imparting a constant force w on the bob, the equation is

theta'' + (k/m)*thata' + (g/l)*sin(theta) - (w/m)*cos(theta)= 0

I cannot understand the term of (w/m)*cos(theta). If I rewrite the eq,

m*l*theta'' + (k*l*theta') + (m*g*sin(theta)) - (w*l*cos(theta)) = 0
( inertia )------(friction)--------( gravity )---------( what ?? )

My question is why the length of string, ' l ' affects the external force term.

In my oppinion, external force term is just ( w * cos(theta) ), but the answer is not :(.

Please somebody help me ...
 
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For a cursory look at the problem, if one has (g/l)*sin(theta), then the term (w/m)*cos(theta) should include length to get (w/ml)*cos(theta), so that both have a term of acceleration/length.
 
Using purely Newtonian mechanics, by what means do you get the equation of motion for the angle variable [itex]\theta[/itex] ...?
 
Any force on the pendulum bob can be split into radial and normal components. All the radial term will do is change the tension on the string. Assuming an ideal unbreakable and unstretchable string, the radial component doesn't do anything. The normal term is the sole contributor to the dynamics, and hence the [itex]\sin\theta[/itex] factor for the vertical gravitational force and the [itex]\cos\theta[/itex] factor for the horizontal wind force.

Another way to look at this is as a rotational dynamics problem: work with torques rather than forces. The longitudinal components of forces don't contribute to the torque.

BTW, Astronuc is right. The wind contribution is w/ml, not just w/m. Its a good idea to do a quick dimensional analysis to ensure that the equations of motion are dimensionally correct. Dimensional correctness doesn't mean the EOM are correct, but if the dimensions are wrong the EOM most certainly are wrong.
 
dextercioby said:
Using purely Newtonian mechanics, by what means do you get the equation of motion for the angle variable [itex]\theta[/itex] ...?

By working in polar coordinates. There is nothing in Newtonian mechanics that restricts their use to cartesian coordinates.
 

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