Modeling Radioactive Decay: Solving an IVP for a Series of Three Elements

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around constructing a mathematical model represented by a system of differential equations for a radioactive decay series involving three elements: X, Y, and Z, where Z is stable. Participants are examining the initial conditions and the behavior of the system over time, specifically after one and five hours.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a system of differential equations to model the decay process, specifying initial conditions and the desired outcomes after certain time intervals.
  • Another participant suggests a potential typo in the first equation, proposing that it should be dw/dt = -kw to ensure conservation of atoms in the system.
  • A follow-up question is raised regarding whether the term kW in the equation for dx/dt should also be negative, as well as the term for dz/dt.
  • A different participant clarifies that kW represents the rate of formation of X from W and that dz/dt indicates the accumulation of Z from Y, asserting that these terms should not be negative.
  • There is a suggestion to standardize the notation used for the variables (W, X, Y, Z) to avoid confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the first equation and the signs of certain terms in the differential equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential typo and the implications for the model.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of conservation of atoms in the system, which may depend on the correct formulation of the equations. There is also an emphasis on consistent notation to prevent confusion in the discussion.

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1. The Problem

Construct a mathematical model (system of differential equations) for a radioactive series of 3 elements. X,Y, and Z (Z is a stable element). (Note: W decays into X, X decays into Y, and Y decays into Z). At time zero there are 100e (approx. 271.828) moles of element X. After two hours there are exactly 100 moles each of elements X and Y. Solve the IVP and calculate the number of moles for each of the three elements after i) 1 hour and ii) 5 hours

2. Homework Equations

dw/dt = kW
dx/dt = kW - cX
dy/dt = cX - aY
dz/dt = aY
( k ,c ,and a are all different constants)
x(0) = 100e
x(2) = 100
y(2) = 100 3. Attempt at solution

Im posting this to see if i have my system set up correctly. I am not looking for an answer.
 
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nate9519 said:
1. The Problem

Construct a mathematical model (system of differential equations) for a radioactive series of 3 elements. X,Y, and Z (Z is a stable element). (Note: W decays into X, X decays into Y, and Y decays into Z). At time zero there are 100e (approx. 271.828) moles of element X. After two hours there are exactly 100 moles each of elements X and Y. Solve the IVP and calculate the number of moles for each of the three elements after i) 1 hour and ii) 5 hours

2. Homework Equations

dw/dt = kW
dx/dt = kW - cX
dy/dt = cX - aY
dz/dt = aY
( k ,c ,and a are all different constants)
x(0) = 100e
x(2) = 100
y(2) = 100


3. Attempt at solution

Im posting this to see if i have my system set up correctly. I am not looking for an answer.

Looks good to me, except for the first equation: dw/dt = -kw, which I suspect is a typo. [Note adding up all of the rates gives you conservation of atoms, d[W+X+Y+Z]/dt = 0, and you won't get this unless the first equation is -kw.]
 
Quantum Defect said:
Looks good to me, except for the first equation: dw/dt = -kw, which I suspect is a typo. [Note adding up all of the rates gives you conservation of atoms, d[W+X+Y+Z]/dt = 0, and you won't get this unless the first equation is -kw.]
would kW in dx/dt need to be negative also? and would dz/dt need to be negative?
 
No and no. kW is the rate of formation of x from W. dz/dt is the rate of accumulation of z, in this case simply from Y without any further decay.

You really should decide what symbol you are going to use for w, x, y, z, CAPS or lower case. - could that have helped confuse you?
 

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