Modulus Equation: Solving for ##p## & ##m##

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The discussion revolves around a modulus equation involving two variables, ##p## and ##m##, derived from a complex equation involving square roots and absolute values. Participants explore the implications of having more unknowns than equations and the challenges of solving such a system.

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  • Participants discuss the nature of the problem, questioning the feasibility of solving for two unknowns with a single equation. They explore the consequences of squaring both sides of an equation and the introduction of extraneous solutions. Some suggest alternative approaches to the problem, including simultaneous equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering different perspectives on the problem. Some have proposed simultaneous equations as a method to find solutions, while others are considering the implications of the original equation's structure. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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Participants note that the original equation leads to a situation where the terms must be non-negative, prompting a discussion on the conditions under which the equation can hold true. There is also mention of the need for curly brackets in the exponent notation, indicating attention to detail in mathematical expressions.

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Homework Statement
solve the modulus equation ##2|3x+4y-2|+3(25-5x+2y)^{1/2} = 0##
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##3√(25-5x+2y) = -2|3x+4y-2|##
→##9(25-5x+2y)=4[(3x+4y)^2-4(3x+4y)+4]##
→##9 (25+m)= 4[p^2-4p+4]## where ##p= 3x+4y## & ##m= 2y-5x##
##\frac{(p-2)^2}{25+m}##=## \frac{9}{4}##
 
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Hello again,

You have one equation with two unknowns, and you work it around to one equation in two unknowns. That does not help very much.

Are you aware that the term 'solving' is not applicable if there are more unknowns than equations ? E.g. ##x+y=4## is not solvable. All one can do is work it around to e.g. ##y = 4-x##.

Is that the aim of this exercise ?

Then: you square left and right sides of an equation. Do you realize that introduces unwanted solutions ? Look at e.g. the equation ##z = -2##, a single solution. Whereas ##z^2 = 4## has two solutions ?

Having said all this, there is something remarkable with your first equation:
$$2|3x+4y-2|+3(25-5x+2y)^{1/2} = 0 $$
(you want curly brackets around the exponent 1/2 )

You have two terms that are non-negative and should add up to zero.
What is the only way in which that can be so :biggrin: ?
 
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BvU said:
(you want curly brackets around the exponent 1/2 )
Fixed in original post.
 
a colleague was able to solve it for me...by coming up with simultaneous equations:

##|6x+8y-4| =√(225-45x+18y)##
##|6x+8y-4| =-√(225-45x+18y)##...on solving the simultaneous by subtracting both sides of the equation,

##2√(225-45x+18y)=0##
##45x-18y=225## also using
##-6x-8y+4= 6x+8y-4## we get
##3x+4y=2##
now solving,
##45x-18y=225##
##3x+4y=2##
##x=4## ##y=-2.5##
is there another approach? or this is the only way? just thinking of the approach that i had used...
 
chwala said:
is there another approach?
Definitely. $$a+b = 0 \quad \&\quad a \ge 0 \quad \& \quad b\ge 0 \quad {\bf \Rightarrow} \quad a = 0 \quad \& \quad b = 0 $$
and now you have two equations with two unknowns:$$25-5x+2y = 0 \quad \& \quad 3x+4y-2 = 0 $$with, of course, the same answer -- without multiplying within the | | and underneath the square root
 
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Thanks man...you guys chew maths like crazy:cool:
 
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