Molar specific heat of an ideal gas

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The problem involves a diatomic ideal gas undergoing a warming process in two steps: first at constant pressure and then at constant volume. The gas's pressure triples and its volume doubles during the process, and the goal is to determine the energy transferred by heat.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the total heat transfer by summing the contributions from both phases of the process, but expresses uncertainty about the validity of their reasoning regarding the relationships between variables.
  • Some participants question the use of the information regarding the changes in pressure and volume, noting that the temperature changes (ΔT) for each step may not be the same.
  • Others suggest utilizing the ideal gas law to relate the variables more effectively.
  • There is a discussion about how to incorporate the initial states of the gas into the calculations.

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Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's setup, including the specific conditions of constant pressure and constant volume, as well as the changes in pressure and volume that occur during the warming process.

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Homework Statement



A sample of a diatomic ideal gas has pressure P and volume V. When the gas is warmed, it's pressure triples and the it's volume doubles. This warming process includes two steps, the first at constant pressure and the second at constant volume. Determine the energy transferred by heat.


Homework Equations



Q = nCvΔT(constant volume)
Q = nCpΔT(constant pressure)

The Attempt at a Solution


Since it occurs in two phases, my thought was to add Q1 + Q2. Q1 at constant pressure and Q2 at constant volume i.e.

(n x 7/2R x ΔT) +(n x 5/2R x ΔT)
nRΔT is common thus;
nRΔT(7/2 + 5/2)
= 6nRΔT. or 6PV (since PV = nRT)

But my answer is wrong..and I'm NOT sure if my conclusion that nRΔT = nRT is true..
Any help is very much appreciated..thanks
 
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Hi fiziks09! :smile:

Did you notice that you did not use the information that the pressure triples and the volume doubles?

Consider also that you don't know ΔT of each process step. They will not be the same.
 
thanks..
i noticed that..but the thing is i don't know where to fit that information. I also can't think of any other equations relevant to the question aside from the ones in put up there
 
What about the ideal gas formula: PV=nRT?
 
Okay..i have been on this quite a while now..
i substituted n = PV/RT in the equations for both constant pressure and constant volume..
i then used p = 3P and v = 2V.. but it didn't work..

Also..how about the initial states of the gas, i couldn't figure out where to fit them in ?.
 
What did not work?

The initial state of the gasses would be P=Po, and V=Vo.

Step 1 is constant pressure, so V changes from Vo to 2Vo at P=Po.
Furthermore Q = nCpΔT. Calculate ΔT from P and V.

Step 2 is constant volume, so P changes from Po to 3Po at V=2Vo.
Furthermore Q = nCvΔT. Calculate ΔT from P and V.
 

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