Adding heat to a Non Ideal Gas problem

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The problem involves adding heat to a non-ideal gas and determining the change in temperature under two different conditions: constant volume and constant pressure. The gas is described by an equation of state and an expression for internal energy.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the first law of thermodynamics and considers different methods for calculating temperature change, questioning the validity of their approaches.
  • Some participants suggest focusing on changes in internal energy and temperature rather than their absolute values.
  • There is discussion about the implications of holding pressure constant and how to relate changes in volume to changes in temperature.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing feedback on each other's methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct approach for part (b), and there is a collaborative effort to clarify the relationships between variables.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of thermodynamic principles and the relationships between internal energy, work, and heat. The participants are navigating through the complexities of the non-ideal gas behavior and the specific equations provided.

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Homework Statement



When 120J of heat are added to this gas, the temperature of the gas changes. Find the change in temperature if the heat is added at (a) constant volume. (b) constant pressure.



Homework Equations


The equation of state of at the gas is (p + 50)V = 10T

The internal energy of this gas is given by U = 20T + 50V + 40


The Attempt at a Solution



For part (a) I used the fact that U = W + Q, but since the volume is constant I know that U=Q=120J. From this I substitute V for the equations to obtain an equation for T with pressure as the independent variable. T = (4p + 200)/(75 + p) then dT/dp = 100/(75+p)^2. Is this the right way to go about this problem? or should I use something like since U = Q and the differential of U(T,V) is
dU = (partial dU/dT)DT + (partial dU/dV)DV and then take the partial of U with respect to T, which would be dU = 20 dT. THEN 20 dT = 120J since U = Q. Thus, dT = 6. I am not sure which route to go. Similar question for part (b). Thanks for any advice!
 
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For part a, your second method is correct. You are looking for the changes in U and T (not their absolute values), which this method captures.

Let's see what you are able to come up with for part b.

Chet
 
Thanks Chet! for part (b) I know that the pressure is constant so U = 120J + W = 120J + PV. Then we can get 120J + PV = 20T + 50V + 40J then this simplifies to 80J + PV = 20T +50V. Since from the equation of state PV = 10T - 50V we can substitute and get 80J + 10T - 50V = 20T + 50V. This can be rearranged to
10T = 80J - 100V then taking the differential would give 10dT= -100 which means dT = -10 K. What do you think?
 
troytroy said:
Thanks Chet! for part (b) I know that the pressure is constant so U = 120J + W = 120J + PV. Then we can get 120J + PV = 20T + 50V + 40J then this simplifies to 80J + PV = 20T +50V. Since from the equation of state PV = 10T - 50V we can substitute and get 80J + 10T - 50V = 20T + 50V. This can be rearranged to
10T = 80J - 100V then taking the differential would give 10dT= -100 which means dT = -10 K. What do you think?

I think it's not right. First, solve the equation of state for V as a function of p and T. Then determine ΔV as a function of ΔT, holding p constant. The amount of heat is:

Q = ΔU+pΔV

Express both terms on the right by eliminating ΔV. The pressure p should cancel, and you should end up with just a function of ΔT.

Chet
 
Okay, so solving for my equation of state for V, I get V = 10T/(p+50), then this means dV = 10dT/(p+50) since p is constant. Also, I know that Q = du + dw and du = 20dT +50dV = 120J - pdV. This can be rewritten as 20dT +dV(p + 50) = 120J. Then substituting the above dV I get 30dT = 120. Thus, dT = 4K.
 
Good job.

Chet
 

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