Molecular covalent bonds across energy levels

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The discussion revolves around the nature of molecular covalent bonds, particularly focusing on the role of valence electrons and energy levels. Participants explore the simplifications made in educational resources regarding bonding and the implications of including inner electrons in these discussions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the treatment of valence electrons and the simplifications made in educational materials, particularly concerning the principal quantum number (n) and its role in energy levels.
  • Another participant explains that the focus on outermost electrons is to simplify the understanding of bonding, noting that inner electrons do not contribute to bonding due to cancellation between bonding and antibonding orbitals.
  • A participant suggests that it might be clearer to refer to valence electrons in a more simplified manner, indicating a desire for clarity in terminology.
  • One post mentions the availability of a book that could provide further insights into atomic and molecular structure.
  • A participant notes that when orbitals have vastly different energies, ionic bonds are preferred over covalent bonds.
  • Another participant references Pauling's work on electronegativity and its relation to bond ionicity, introducing concepts like LUMO and HOMO orbital energies as per Koopman's theorem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of focusing on valence electrons for understanding bonding, but there are differing views on how to best communicate these concepts and the implications of including inner electrons. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to simplify the explanation of bonding.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential oversimplification of complex bonding scenarios and the dependence on specific definitions of terms like "valence electrons" and "bonding." The discussion does not resolve the complexities introduced by different types of orbitals, particularly d orbitals.

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In examples for molecular covalent bonds on the Internet (e.g., the site given in the full text), all components, with the exception of hydrogen, have the same energy level n. Yet there are bonds formed from orbitals of different energy levels, even though the bonding is more likely for identical n, no? So isn't it just whether the orbitals are s's, p's, an sp hybrid, or whatever? Why the n?
I am sure this is an elementary question; I'm just trying to clarify some points that were poorly explained to me years ago in secondary school. I know that a full answer would involve solving Schrödinger's equation etc., but keeping this on the level of valence electrons,...) I was confused by the sites, e.g. , https://chem.libretexts.org/Bookshe...1.7:_Molecular_Orbitals_and__Covalent_Bonding, using only components , besides H, that had the same n for all components. After all, isn't the whole idea of a group the similarities across peiods?
 
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I think it is a case of giving you the simplest possible examples, using only the outermost electrons, where n, the principle quantum number, is the main contribution to the energy of the outer electrons, and l the azimuthal quantum number making a smaller contribution to the energy of the orbitals. They are deliberately choosing elements with only s and p orbitals to keep it simple but still show that predictions can be made.

If the full inner electrons were included, they would show that the number of bonding and antibonding orbitals would be the same, all would be full, and so make no contribution to the overall bonds as the bonding orbitals are canceled by the antibonding orbitals. It's only the outermost orbitals, when they are not full, that are likely in their examples to show any overall net bonding.

You could draw them all out for the sodium example and see this for yourself. Then repeat for potassium, and as the diagram becomes bigger you will see why they ignore the ones which don't contribute overall to the bonding.

And when it gets to elements with d orbitals, it gets even harder to draw.
 
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Thanks, @DrJohn. The reason for not including the inner electrons is clear, but I thought it would be even simpler if, instead of saying for example, ns1 and ns1 give nσ, say that, among the valence electrons, ns1 and ms1 give σ, or something similar. But your explanation that that they are simply using the simplest examples makes sense, though. It just worried me to think that I was missing something...
 
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caz, thanks. Looks good. downloaded!
 
If the orbitals are of vastly different energy, you'd rather get an ionic bond.
 
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Thanks, DrDu. I never noticed that. Very helpful!
 
You are welcome!
This reasoning can be formalized. Pauling already introduced the electronegativity, which determines the ionicity of the bonds, in terms of the electron affinity and ionization energy.
According to Koopman's theorem, both are given basically in terms of the LUMO and HOMO orbital energies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koopmans'_theorem
 
DrDu, thanks again; once again, your comments are helpful and the Wiki article is as well.
 

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