Molecule - Polar or Non-Polar?

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The discussion revolves around determining the polarity of various molecules, including specific examples and their boiling points. Participants explore concepts of electronegativity, molecular shape, and dipole moments, while also addressing homework-related questions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Megan questions why a molecule with carbon and iodine is considered polar despite her belief that their polarities cancel out.
  • One participant asserts that iodine is more electronegative than carbon, influencing the molecule's polarity.
  • Another participant mentions the tetrahedral shape of the molecule and discusses the direction of dipole moments between bonds.
  • Megan raises additional questions about the boiling points of different molecules, specifically regarding the influence of dipole forces and London Dispersion forces.
  • One participant agrees that the first molecule has a higher boiling point due to stronger permanent dipole interactions compared to London Dispersion forces in the second molecule.
  • There is a mention of tetrachloromethane and its non-polar nature, with a participant referencing bond electron density and molecular dipole.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the cancellation of dipole moments in tetrahedral molecules, and there is no consensus on the boiling point comparisons, as multiple factors are considered.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific molecular structures and their properties, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the influence of molecular shape and electronegativity on polarity and boiling points.

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Homework Statement



Determine whether each of the following molecules is polar or nonpolar.
(Please note that lone pairs have been omitted for simplicity!)

H
I - C - I
H

Homework Equations



Electronegativity, Polarity, Dipole moments

The Attempt at a Solution



It seemed to me like the C and I have the same polarity so the net dipole would have been zero, but the answer says the molecule is Polar. Why?

Thanks for any help with the explanation! =)

-Megan
 
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No, I is more electronegative than C because it is halogen.

Note that the molecule adopts a tetrahedral shape. Either way, the dipole moment will go from the in-between of 2 C-H bonds to the in-between of 2 C-I bonds
 
I'm sorry I don't get the last part of what you said. Do you think you could explain? =)

Thanks!
 
Read dichloromethane in http://dwb4.unl.edu/Chem/CHEM869E/CHEM869ELinks/www.uis.edu/7Etrammell/organic/introduction/polarity.htm
 
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Great link! Also, I have another question:

1) H3COCH3 H3CCH2CH3

It says that the first one has the higher boiling point because of dipole forces. Is there some sort of greater dipole between the C and the O? It looks like it might cancel out though?

2) C2H5OH CH3OCH3

Here, would it be the second one, on account of a great mass, London Dispersion forces being the factor that increases the boiling point?

Thanks! I'm starting to get this I think! =)

-Megan
 
And wait, doesn't it say that the tetrahedral would cancel out?

"Tetrachloromethane

The top image show the bond electron density and the bottom image the molecular dipole

m = 0 D"
 
meganw said:
Great link! Also, I have another question:

1) H3COCH3 H3CCH2CH3

It says that the first one has the higher boiling point because of dipole forces. Is there some sort of greater dipole between the C and the O? It looks like it might cancel out though?

2) C2H5OH CH3OCH3

Here, would it be the second one, on account of a great mass, London Dispersion forces being the factor that increases the boiling point?

Thanks! I'm starting to get this I think! =)

-Megan

1) Yes, permanent dipole permanent dipole (H3COCH3) is stronger than London Dispersion force (H3CCH2CH3).

2) BP should be C2H5OH (stronger hydrogen bonding) > CH3OCH3 (pdpd)

meganw said:
And wait, doesn't it say that the tetrahedral would cancel out?

"Tetrachloromethane

The top image show the bond electron density and the bottom image the molecular dipole

m = 0 D"

Yes, CCl4 would be a non-polar molecule.
 

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