Molecules under high electric field

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around predicting the behavior of organic molecules under high electric fields, specifically focusing on the fragmentation of these molecules due to electric fields rather than other methods like electron collisions. Participants explore the thresholds and conditions under which fragmentation may occur and seek software tools for simulation.

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  • Technical explanation
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the electric field strength that organic molecules can withstand before fragmentation occurs and requests software recommendations for simulation.
  • Another participant notes that any constant electric field can lead to autoionization, emphasizing that the rate of autoionization increases exponentially with field strength, making it difficult to define a precise threshold for fragmentation.
  • A later reply acknowledges the continuous nature of physical phenomena and suggests that a semi-threshold could be defined for practical applications, proposing a probability of ionization greater than 90% as a useful metric.
  • One participant mentions the need for bond strength or bond dissociation energy of the molecule as a fundamental factor in understanding the effects of the electric field, suggesting that this could serve as a zeroth order approximation for their analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of fragmentation thresholds, with some suggesting the possibility of defining a semi-threshold while others highlight the continuous nature of autoionization without a clear cutoff. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions and software tools needed for analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the dependence on bond strength and the nature of electric fields, indicating that assumptions about the behavior of molecules under varying conditions may not be fully addressed. The discussion also reflects a lack of consensus on the specific software tools available for such simulations.

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Hello fellow physics lovers,

I wish to predict the behaviour of a organic molecule under an electric field (High Voltage). I wish to know how much E-field can this molecules withstand before being fragmented.

Can anyone point toward a freeware than might compute such a field?

It is important to consider that the molecule will be fragmented by E-field and not by accelerated electron collisions (like in Mass Spectrometer for instance).

Thank you for your suggestions.
 
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Strictly speaking, any constant electric field will lead to autoionization, however, the lifetimes can be very long as the electrons have to travel through a wide barrier at low field intensities. So the autoionization rate will increase exponentially with the field strength and you cannot define a well-defined threshold.
 
Thank you for pointing this out. Indeed, many phenomena in physics are usually not discrete (currently I'm only thinking of phase transition which almost is). However, if this auto ionization phenomenon is described by a exponential, one might define a semi-threshold (actually an order of magnitude is enough for my application) at which the probability of ionization is say greater that 90%.

In my application, I have anchored carbon chains on a substrate which is under a high electric field.

I want to have some idea of the E-field that might break the bound of the carbon chain. But I am also interested at their behaviour under any arbitrary field (stress, change of structure ect..) before breaking out.

Does such a program/software exist to perform this study?
 
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