Moment of Inertia of Curve without Prefix

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The discussion revolves around finding the moment of inertia of the curve defined by y=(2/9)x^2 when revolved around the y-axis. Participants are exploring the implications of the problem setup and the appropriate methods for calculating the moment of inertia.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of cylindrical elements and the integration process for calculating the moment of inertia. There are questions about the limits of integration and whether the problem refers to the surface or the volume generated by the curve. Some participants suggest converting variables during integration and consider alternative methods such as cylindrical shells.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the integration process and questioning the assumptions made regarding the limits and the nature of the curve. There is no explicit consensus on the method to use, as different approaches are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the limits for integration and the choice between different methods for calculating the moment of inertia, including the use of elemental disks versus triple integrals. There is mention of needing to visualize the problem to determine limits effectively.

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Homework Statement


Consider the curve y=(2/9)x^2 revolved around the y-axis. Find the moment of inertia about the y-axis


Homework Equations



I=\int r^2 dm

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So I considered a cylindrical element of width dy and radius x, so that it's volume is

dV=(\pi x^2)dy

Now the moment of inertia of this element about the y-axis is

dI= \frac{1}{2} x^2 \rho (\pi x^2)dy

so to get the moment of inertia of this entire curve, I just need to integrate like so

I= \int_{0}^{\frac{2x^2}{9}} \frac{1}{2} \rho \pi x^4 dy

Where x=\sqrt{4.5y}

is this correct??
 
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Hi rock.freak667! :smile:
rock.freak667 said:
Consider the curve y=(2/9)x^2 revolved around the y-axis. Find the moment of inertia about the y-axis

uhh? what are the limits?

and do you mean curve, so that you get a surface, or the area within the curve, so that you get a volume? :confused:
Now the moment of inertia of this element about the y-axis is

dI= \frac{1}{2} x^2 \rho (\pi x^2)dy

That's correct (assuming the question means a volume) :smile:
so to get the moment of inertia of this entire curve, I just need to integrate like so

I= \int_{0}^{\frac{2x^2}{9}} \frac{1}{2} \rho \pi x^4 dy

Where x=\sqrt{4.5y}

Noooo … your x4 has to be converted into y if you're integrating over y

(and where did you get those limits from??)

An alternative method (which doesn't assume knowledge of MI of a solid cylinder) is to use cylindrical shells of thickness dr :wink:
 
Well I just made up the question but I will put the limits from x=0 to x=4 to get a volume.

But I am not sure how to do these questions as one example in my book has the method of considering an elemental disk like I did and another example has to use a triple integral. So I am not sure which one to use and when to use. Not even sure how to find the limits for the triple integral ones as well.
 
rock.freak667 said:
Well I just made up the question but I will put the limits from x=0 to x=4 to get a volume.

ok, then your πρx4/2 has to be converted to 81/4 πρy2, and the integral has to be from y = 0 to 32/9.
But I am not sure how to do these questions as one example in my book has the method of considering an elemental disk like I did and another example has to use a triple integral. So I am not sure which one to use and when to use. Not even sure how to find the limits for the triple integral ones as well.

The general rule is that if you have a symmetry, then use it.

For example, if there is spherical symmetry, use spherical shells.

If there's only rotational symmetry (ie, in one dimension), you can use discs, as you did (but it needs you to remember the MI for a disc), or cylindrical shells.

If there's no symmetry, you'll probably have to divide into into slices of thickness dz (say), and then divide each slice into strips of thickness dy (say) …

to find the limits, just draw a diagram, with x y z dy and dz marked, and it should be obvious what the limits are on each strip.
 

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