Momentum conservation at vertex in Feynman Diagrams

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the conservation of momentum at vertices in Feynman diagrams, specifically in the context of Bhabha scattering. Participants explore how to apply momentum conservation principles to different vertices and the implications for propagators in the diagrams.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that for the first vertex, the incoming momenta should satisfy the equation p_{1}+p_{2}=p, but expresses confusion about how to apply this to the second vertex and other vertices in Diagram (b).
  • Another participant explains that momentum conservation should be applied to each vertex separately, emphasizing the importance of defining the direction of momentum flow.
  • A participant questions whether the photon propagator has a fixed direction of momentum and seeks further clarification on how to approach the vertices.
  • One reply clarifies that the direction of momentum in calculations is arbitrary, but following the time axis in s-channel diagrams is useful.
  • Another participant confirms that the initial momentum conservation statement from the first post is correct.
  • Further elaboration includes the use of delta functions to express momentum conservation at each vertex, suggesting that this approach clarifies calculations related to cross sections and amplitudes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the principle of momentum conservation, but there is uncertainty regarding the application of these principles to specific vertices and the directionality of momentum in propagators. The discussion remains unresolved in terms of fully clarifying the application of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the fixed direction of momentum for propagators and the implications for different channels (s-channel vs. t-channel). There are also references to the use of Mandelstam variables and delta functions, which may require further exploration to fully understand their role in momentum conservation.

Dixanadu
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Hey guys,

I need help with conserving momentum at these vertices (this is Bhabha scattering):
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So in Diagram (a), the first vertext to the left. The incoming momenta are [itex]p_{1}+p_{2}[/itex]. The outgoing momentum I'll call it [itex]p[/itex]. So...shouldnt I have [itex]p_{1}+p_{2}=p[/itex]? Furthermore, is the propagator correct if I write it like this:

[itex]\dfrac{-i\eta_{\mu\nu}}{(p_{1}+p_{2})^{2}+i\epsilon}[/itex]?

Now I don't know how to conserve momentum at the second vertex, neither do I know how to do it for any vertex in Diagram (b). It's really confusing...
 
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You do momentum conservation for each vertex separately. First define in which direction your momentum is flowing (for external lines and s-channel propagators there is a natural choice, for t-channel just pick one direction) and then put momentum in equal to momentum out and then you are done. As you have noticed, this will let you get rid of some momenta, such as the s-channel propagator momentum. You might also want to rewrite things in terms of Mandelstam variables, but that is another issue.
 
I still don't get it though. For example I have a photon propagator in each case (not sure if that's T channel or S channel) so does that have a fixed direction of momentum?

I'm still confused...I kind of see what to do but I just don't know how. Could you help me do a couple of vertices just so I get the hang of it? (also please tell me if I got the one right in my first post)
 
Dixanadu said:
so does that have a fixed direction of momentum?
What do you mean with "direction of momentum"? The direction used in your calculation is arbitrary, but following the time axis in s-channel (like you did) is useful. A direction in space does not matter here.
 
Hmm. I guess it would help if you told me whether I'm right in my first post about the momentum conservation...
 
Yes that is right.
 
Momentum is conserved, means that if you inititally had [itex]P= p_1 + p_2[/itex] momentum, then at the end you are having [itex]p_3 + p_4 = P[/itex] momenta.
So [itex]p_1 + p_2 = p_3 + p_4[/itex].

When you calculate cross sections (or amplitudes) things become much clearer by having the delta function in your integrals: [itex]\delta^{(4)} (p_1 + p_2 - p_3 - p_4 )[/itex]

If you want to insert somehow the momentum carried by the propagator [itex]q[/itex] then this delta can give you the conservation of momenta in each vertex:
[itex]\delta^{(4)} (p_1 + p_2 -q)[/itex] (or [itex]p_1+p_2 =q[/itex]) and [itex]\delta^{(4)} (q - p_3 - p_4 )[/itex] (or [itex]q=p_3+p_4[/itex]).

As for the t-channel, you can do the same...apply a conservation of momentum delta function to each vertex, eg [itex]\delta^{(4)} (p_1 + q - p_3)[/itex] for your upper vertex. Everything is done so that you will eventually get that the initial sum of momentum= final sum of momentum, encoded in the delta function you integrate over:
[itex]\delta^{(4)} (p_1 + p_2 - p_3 - p_4 )[/itex]
which corresponds to the [itex]1+2 \rightarrow 3+4[/itex]
 
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