Momentum in special relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the concept of momentum in the context of special relativity, specifically focusing on 4-momentum, its components, and the energy-momentum triangle. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and relationships between different types of momentum.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the term "CT momentum" and its relation to 4-vectors.
  • Another participant defines the 4-momentum as ##P = m V##, explaining its components and their significance in special relativity.
  • A question is raised regarding the energy-momentum triangle, specifically whether the momentum represented is in 4 dimensions or 3.
  • One participant clarifies that the energy-momentum triangle relates to the norm of the 4-momentum, stating that the momentum in the triangle is the 3-momentum.
  • Another participant reiterates the question about the norm of the four-momentum and provides a formula involving 3-momentum and total energy.
  • There is a discussion about the notation used for 4-vectors versus 3-vectors, with some participants expressing a preference for avoiding vector arrows for 4-vectors to prevent confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the notation for 4-vectors and 3-vectors, indicating a lack of consensus on the best practices for representing these concepts. The discussion on the energy-momentum triangle also reflects differing interpretations of the dimensions involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the potential for confusion in notation and definitions, particularly regarding the representation of 4-vectors and 3-vectors. There are also unresolved aspects related to the interpretation of the energy-momentum triangle.

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when studying momentum 4 vectors,i encountered the CT momentum which is MC.can some explain where has this come from?
 
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In special relativity, the 4-momentum is defined as ##P = m V##, where ##V = dX/d\tau## is the 4-velocity, ##m## the invariant mass, ##\tau## the proper time, and ##X## the coordinates along the world line. It follows directly that the 0-component of the 4-momentum is given by ##m\gamma c##. The classical limit allows the identification of this component with the total energy of the object (as well as of the spatial components with the momentum of the object).
 
a question on the energy-momentum triangle:in this triangle one of the sides of it is PC,is this P the momentum in 4 dimensions or 3?
 
The energy-momentum triangle is nothing but the norm relation for the 4-momentum. Since the norm of the 4-velocity is 1, the norm of the 4-momentum is always ##m^2 c^2##. With the 4-momentum being ##P = (E/c,\vec p)##, it follows that ##P^2 = E^2/c^2 - \vec p^2 = m^2 c^2##, which may be rewritten as the energy-momentum triangle relation. (So the answer to your question is that the momentum in the triangle is the 3-momentum.)
 
Sobhan said:
a question on the energy-momentum triangle:in this triangle one of the sides of it is PC,is this P the momentum in 4 dimensions or 3?
Are you talking about the norm of the four-momentum? If yes, then ## \vec p = (\gamma m_0 c, p_x, p_y, p_z)## and ##|\vec p |^2 = \frac{E^2}{c^2} - p^2 ## where ##p## is the 3-momentum of the particle and ##E## is the particle's total energy (rest+kinetic) in that particular reference frame. (The norm is invariant in all frames.)

EDIT: Orodruin beat me to it. (No surprises there)
 
PWiz said:
Are you talking about the norm of the four-momentum? If yes, then ## \vec p = (\gamma m_0 c, p_x, p_y, p_z)##
Generally, I would avoid using a vector arrow for 4-vectors and reserve it for 3-vectors. Things can become very confusing otherwise ...
 
Orodruin said:
Generally, I would avoid using a vector arrow for 4-vectors and reserve it for 3-vectors. Things can become very confusing otherwise ...
Okay. It's just that when I think of a vector in a SR, it's almost always a four-vector, so I've sort of got into a habit of putting that arrow :biggrin:
 

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