Motion in Space: Velocity and Acceleration

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves analyzing the motion of two objects, A and B, along the same path described by their position functions. The tasks include sketching their paths, calculating their velocities and accelerations, and discussing the components of acceleration in terms of tangential and normal components.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to differentiate the position functions to find velocity and acceleration but faces challenges with definitions. Some participants question the definitions of velocity and acceleration used in the original post.

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Participants are engaging in clarifying definitions related to velocity and acceleration. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in the original poster's definitions, and some guidance is being offered regarding these definitions. The discussion appears to be ongoing with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The original poster mentions a grading issue related to the problem, indicating a need for correction to achieve full credit. There are also constraints regarding the ability to edit the original post.

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Homework Statement


The position function of objects A and B describe different motion along the same path for t >= 0.
A: r(t) = cos(t)i + sin(t)j
B: r(t) = cos(3t)i + sin(3t)j
a) Sketch the path followed by A and B
b) Find the velocity and acceleration of A and B and discuss the distance
c) Express the acceleration of A and B in terms of the tangential and normal components and discuss the difference

Homework Equations


T(t) = velocity/speed (unit tangent vector)
N(t) = T'(t)/ absolute value of T'(t) (unit normal vector)
a_T = v'
a_N = kv^{2}
a = v'T + kV^{2}N (k is curvature)

The Attempt at a Solution


Ok, this was a problem for my multivariable calculus class but if the mods feel that it belongs in a physics subforum then by all means move it there :).
a) I know that both functions are circles with radius r = 1, traced out in a counterclockwise direction
b) v(t)_A = \int r(t) dt = -sin(t)i + cos(t)j
v(t)_B = \int r(t) dt = -3sin(3t)i + 3cos(3t)j
a(t)_A = \int v(t) dt = -cos(t)i - sin(t)j
a(t)_B = \int v(t) dt = -9cos(3t)i - 9sin(3t)j
The difference between the two is that the 'B' function is traced out much faster than the 'A' function
c) For A:
T(t) = -sin(t)i + cos(t)j
N(t) = -cos(t)i - sin(t)j
The magnitude of T, N is equal to 1, as is the curvature k
Tangential acceleration is:
a_T = -cos(t)i - sin(t)j
Normal acceleration is:
a_N = sin^2(t)i + cos^2(t)j
For B:
T(t) = -sin(3t)i + cos(3t)j
N(t) = -cos(3t)i - sin(3t)j
The magnitude of T, N is equal to 3 and the curvature k is equal to 1
a_T = -9cos(3t)i - 9sin(3t)j
a_N = 9sin^2(3t)i + 9cos^2(3t)j
The tangential component shows the rate of change of velocity and the normal component shows the rate of change of direction. In this case the tangential components of the two functions are equal. However B has a larger normal component, therefore it changes direction more quickly. This problem was worth 20 points; however, I only received 16... I am allowed to make a correction for full credit so I was hoping somebody could tell me where I went wrong :)
 
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What's the definition of velocity, in terms of position? What's the definition of acceleration, in terms of velocity?

What you wrote for the answers to the velocity and acceleration are OK, but the definitions you used are incorrect.
 
SteamKing said:
What's the definition of velocity, in terms of position? What's the definition of acceleration, in terms of velocity?

What you wrote for the answers to the velocity and acceleration are OK, but the definitions you used are incorrect.
Thank you for pointing that out, I'll make the changes in a moment...know that when I was finding velocity and accel I did differentiate. I did not integrate
 
I can't seem to edit my original post, perhaps the mods would be so kind as to change my mistake :)
 
SteamKing said:
What's the definition of velocity, in terms of position? What's the definition of acceleration, in terms of velocity?

What you wrote for the answers to the velocity and acceleration are OK, but the definitions you used are incorrect.
Also, besides the definition mistake was there anything else you noticed that was wrong? I have double checked but I believe that I answered everything correctly
 

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