Motion on a ring. Quantum mechanics.

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The problem involves a particle of mass m confined to a ring of constant radius r_0, with the goal of solving the Schrödinger equation for this scenario. Participants are exploring the implications of the equation's form and the definitions of potential energy in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the form of the Schrödinger equation and question the role of moment of inertia and potential energy. There is exploration of the relationship between linear distance and angular position, and how these relate to the wave function.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the relationship between linear distance and angle, and how this affects the Schrödinger equation. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored regarding the motion of the particle and the nature of the potential.

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Participants are questioning assumptions about the potential energy and the conditions under which the particle is confined to the ring. There is mention of a potential being infinite except at r_0, which remains unverified.

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Homework Statement


Particle of mass [tex[m[/tex] is confined on the ring of constant radius r_0. Solve Schroedinger equation for this problem.

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Problem is solved here
http://www.physics.oregonstate.edu/~corinne/COURSES/ph426/notes3.pdf
Why Schroedinger equation is written in the form
\frac{d^2\Phi}{d\varphi}=-\frac{2I}{\hbar^2}[E-U(r_0)]\Phi(\varphi)
I am confused. First of all why moment of inertia I? Second how potential U(r_0) is defined? Is it \infty everywhere accept at r_0? Thanks for the answer.
 
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If you write ##\varphi## as function of x (or vice versa) and substitute it in the Schrödinger equation, you get a factor of ##mr_0^2## in the equation, which is ##I##.

As your Schrödinger equation depends on the angle only, everything outside the ring "does not exist" in the world of this particle. If your potential depends on the radius only, it is constant for a particle at a specific radius.
 
Thank you for the answer. How you mean write as function of x? What is x for you in this problem.

I am not sure why particle moves around the ring? When I say particle is moving around the ring then I can right equation where wave function is only function of angle \varphi. But first at all why particle is moving around the ring. Is it because of potential?
 
x is a linear distance. The position variable you usually see in the Schrödinger equation.

LagrangeEuler said:
I am not sure why particle moves around the ring?
It does not have to move, but it has to be on the ring due to some unexplained and irrelevant external world. The usual reason would be a potential, yes.
 
Thank you. If x is linear distance then Schroedinger equation takes a form
\frac{d^2 \psi}{dx^2}=-\frac{2m}{\hbar^2}[E-U)\psi(x)
I am not sure how to go from this equation to
\frac{d^2 \Phi}{d \varphi^2}=-\frac{2I}{\hbar^2}[E-U)\Phi(\varphi)
 
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The first equation has a typo.
How are linear distance (along the ring) and the angle phi related? The rest is using the chain rule on the left side.
 
Thank you. ##x=r_0\varphi##
So because ##r_0## is constant
\frac{d^2\psi}{dx^2}=\frac{1}{r^2_0}\frac{d^2\psi}{d\varphi^2}
 
Right. And that allows to get the moment of inertia on the right side.
 

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