Movement and Properties of Light

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the movement and properties of light, specifically focusing on electromagnetic radiation and photons. Participants explore concepts related to the oscillation of electromagnetic fields, the nature of photons, and the propagation of electromagnetic fields through space.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how light moves through space in terms of electromagnetic radiation and photons, specifically regarding the oscillation of the electromagnetic field and its directions.
  • Another participant suggests that electromagnetic fields propagate outwards from charges at the speed of light and that the field from a previous position continues to travel through space even after the charge has moved.
  • A participant asserts that photons do not have electromagnetic fields associated with them, as electromagnetic fields are caused by charge, and photons themselves do not carry charge.
  • There is a request for clarification regarding the statement about the electromagnetic field from a previous position still traveling through space.
  • A participant provides an analogy involving a flashlight to illustrate how electromagnetic fields propagate and how the effects of a light source are perceived over distance.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the explanation and acknowledges a technical issue with accessing a provided link.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of electromagnetic fields associated with photons, with some asserting that photons do not have associated fields while others explore the implications of electromagnetic field propagation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of how electromagnetic fields oscillate and the implications of their propagation.

Contextual Notes

Some statements depend on interpretations of electromagnetic theory and the behavior of light, which may not be universally agreed upon. The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of charge and its relationship to electromagnetic fields.

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How exactly does light move through space in terms of EM radiation and photons. What I'm confused about is the electromagnetic field. How does it oscillate, and in which directions? Also do photons have Electromagnetic fields associated with them?
 
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Scheuerf said:
How exactly does light move through space in terms of EM radiation and photons. What I'm confused about is the electromagnetic field. How does it oscillate, and in which directions? Also do photons have Electromagnetic fields associated with them?
Have you done any online research to try to answer this? Sometimes posting what you know and asking more specfic questions will help you to get answer quicker. :)
 
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Scheuerf said:
What I'm confused about is the electromagnetic field. How does it oscillate, and in which directions?
Charges cause electromagnetic field to propagate outwards from them in all directions at the speed of light. If the charge changes its position, the electromagnetic field is now propagating from the new position, but the electromagnetic field from the previous position is still traveling through space.

http://www.cabrillo.edu/~jmccullough/Applets/Flash/Electricity%20and%20Magnetism/EFieldOscillatingCharge.swf
Scheuerf said:
do photons have Electromagnetic fields associated with them?
No. Electromagnetic fields are caused by charge. Photons do not have charge themselves.
 
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What do you mean by "the electromagnetic field from the previous position is still traveling through space"?
 
Scheuerf said:
What do you mean by "the electromagnetic field from the previous position is still traveling through space"?
you obviously didn't look at the link that was provided ;)
 
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So you can see that as radiating charge moves, the new radiating field moves with it, but the field that is still moving
from the original position keeps on going

think of this example ...

on a simple level ( without getting into relativity) someone with a flashlight shining it at you from in front of you
turns it off or moves it, you see it happening virtually instantly because of the high speed of the EM field ( the light) and your close proximity to its source

now let's move further away ... say the Sun
if it was suddenly turned off like a light globe ( your flashlight), You wouldn't know about it for 8 and a bit minutes
The EM field ( wave) takes time to travel from the Sun to the Earth over that ~140 million kilometres. The light traveling immediately prior to the blinking out of the Sun, is still traveling across that distance

how's that do for you ? :)
 
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That helps thanks, and sorry for not clicking the link, it wouldn't open on my phone.
 
no probs :) its a good little animation

D
 
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