Movement of electron in an electric field

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The discussion revolves around the movement of an electron in a uniform electric field, specifically focusing on its initial velocity and the effects of the electric field on its motion. The problem involves analyzing the direction of the electric field, the distance traveled by the electron before coming to rest, and its velocity upon returning to the starting point.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the direction of the electric field and the acceleration of the electron, questioning how the acceleration can oppose the initial velocity. There are attempts to clarify the definitions of force and acceleration in the context of the electric field.

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Some participants have provided observations and clarifications regarding the direction of forces and acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of the initial velocity being opposite to the direction of acceleration, with various interpretations being discussed.

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Participants note the potential confusion arising from the direction of the electric field and the initial velocity of the electron, as well as the assumptions made about the conditions of the problem. There is mention of the need to consider the initial conditions that led to the electron's downward velocity.

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Homework Statement


An electron has an initial velocity of 5.00 x 10^6 m/s in a uniform 2.00 x 10^5 N/C strength electric field. The field accelerates the electron in the direction opposite to its initial velocity.
(a) What is the direction of the electric field?
(b) How far does the electron travel before coming to rest?
(c) What is the electron's velocity when it returns to it's starting point?

Homework Equations


F= Eq
F=ma
Eq=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


F= Eq
= (2.00 x 10^5)(-1..60x10^-19)
= -3.2 x 10^-14 N
F= ma
-3.2x10^-14= (9.11x10^-31)a
a= -3.51x10^16 m/s^2

Taking downward direction as positive,

v^2= u^2 + 2as
0= 5.00 x 10^6 + 2(-3.51x10^16)s
s= 3.56 x 10^-4 m

Electron is accelerated in the direction towards the positive plate. It is stated that the direction of acceleration is opposite to that of its initial velocity. How is it possible?

Can anyone helps me to figure out what has gone wrong in my equations? Thanks a lot.
 
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Icy98 said:
Electron is accelerated in the direction towards the positive plate. It is stated that the direction of acceleration is opposite to that of its initial velocity. How is it possible?

what is the basis of your observation?
electric field force is defined by a test charge (unit +charge)
so in which direction the field is operating?
 
Icy98 said:

Homework Statement


An electron has an initial velocity of 5.00 x 10^6 m/s in a uniform 2.00 x 10^5 N/C strength electric field. The field accelerates the electron in the direction opposite to its initial velocity.
(a) What is the direction of the electric field?
(b) How far does the electron travel before coming to rest?
(c) What is the electron's velocity when it returns to it's starting point?

Homework Equations


F= Eq
F=ma
Eq=ma

The Attempt at a Solution


F= Eq
= (2.00 x 10^5)(-1..60x10^-19)
= -3.2 x 10^-14 N
F= ma
-3.2x10^-14= (9.11x10^-31)a
a= -3.51x10^16 m/s^2

Taking downward direction as positive,

v^2= u^2 + 2as
0= 5.00 x 10^6 + 2(-3.51x10^16)s

check this equation ...
 
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This is my observation. The electric field is directed from positive to negative. The electron will accelerate towards to positive side. But I don't get why the direction of initial velocity can be opposite to that of the acceleration,
 
rude man said:
check this equation ...
I still got s= 3.56 x10^-4m.
May I know why s is positive as I have already taken downward direction as positive? In the sketch that I posted, the electric field is directed from positive to negative, that is downwards. Electron is directed towards the positive plate. Hence acceleration is in the direction towards the positive plate. If s is positive, won't it indicate a downward displacement? And how can the direction of initial velocity be opposite to that of acceleration?
 
Icy98 said:
And how can the direction of initial velocity be opposite to that of acceleration?

perhaps you have got an electron with initial velocity direction as given and -jy(0) is being decelerated .write the vector equation suppose your direction is -jv(o) and now you apply +j a
your equation is
(-jv(t))^2 = (-j v(0))^2 +2.(ja) (-) jS ; the final velocity v(t) =0
so you get s= +ve as j.j=1 and in -j direction- i hope you can understand .
 
Icy98 said:
I still got s= 3.56 x10^-4m.
May I know why s is positive as I have already taken downward direction as positive? In the sketch that I posted, the electric field is directed from positive to negative, that is downwards. Electron is directed towards the positive plate. Hence acceleration is in the direction towards the positive plate. If s is positive, won't it indicate a downward displacement? And how can the direction of initial velocity be opposite to that of acceleration?
You used u instead of u^2. Fix that & you're home.
Your other questions don't make sense. OF COURSE the initial velocity HAS TO BE opposite to the acceleration. You are accelerating in a direction opposite to the initial velocity, otherwise the electron would just keep accelerating in the initial velocity direction, going to infinite speed instead of slowing down to zero.

If you throw a ball straight up, what's the initial velocity direction? What's the acceleration direction?
!
 
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rude man said:
You used u instead of u^2. Fix that & you're home.
Your other questions don't make sense. OF COURSE the initial velocity HAS TO BE opposite to the acceleration. You are accelerating in a direction opposite to the initial velocity, otherwise the electron would just keep accelerating in the initial velocity direction, going to infinite speed instead of slowing down to zero.

If you throw a ball straight up, what's the initial velocity direction? What's the acceleration direction?
!

If I throw a ball straight up, the direction of initial velocity will be upwards. Since the ball is slowing down, it's a deceleration and negative acceleration, so it's downwards. Thank you very much :D I now understood why the direction of acceleration is opposite to that of the initial velocity.

But I have another question. If the electron is in a uniform electric field and the acceleration is upwards to the positive plate, what actually causes the electron to have an initial velocity that is downwards?
 
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Icy98 said:
But I have another question. If the electron is in a uniform electric field and the acceleration is upwards to the positive plate, what actually causes the electron to have an initial velocity that is downwards?
Assuming ideal conditions, in the beginning, field direction was opposite, so the electron accelerated and when it reached the given speed, the direction of field was reversed. Reversing the field direction doesn't seem to be difficult.
 
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Icy98 said:
But I have another question. If the electron is in a uniform electric field and the acceleration is upwards to the positive plate, what actually causes the electron to have an initial velocity that is downwards?
The initial velocity is whatever you give it!
 

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