Multiplying a wavefunction by a constant number

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The discussion revolves around the properties of wavefunctions in quantum mechanics, specifically focusing on the implications of multiplying a wavefunction by a constant number. Participants explore the equivalence of different expressions for wavefunctions and the conditions under which they may be considered equivalent or proportional.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the wavefunctions ψ(x) = sinkx - acoskx and ψ(x) = -sinkx - acoskx are equivalent, where a is a constant.
  • Another participant asserts that the second expression is not obtained by multiplying the first by a constant.
  • A participant asks how to multiply a wavefunction by a constant and receives a suggestion to express it as cψ.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding examples of equivalent kets, with one participant stating that the first example is proportional to the initial one, while the others are not.
  • There is confusion regarding the concept of equivalence in wavefunctions, with references made to a statement suggesting that multiplying a wavefunction by a constant or a phase does not change the wavefunction.
  • A participant cites lecture notes from MIT that claim ψ and αψ represent the same physics for any non-zero complex number α, leading to discussions about normalization and physical equivalence.
  • Another participant suggests that changing the overall scaling and phase of a wavefunction does not affect the system, but changing the phase of one wavefunction relative to another does impact the system.

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Participants express differing views on the equivalence of wavefunctions and the implications of multiplying by constants. There is no consensus on whether certain expressions can be considered equivalent, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the interpretation of physical equivalence in wavefunctions.

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Participants reference specific examples and statements from lecture notes, indicating a reliance on definitions and interpretations that may vary. The discussion highlights the nuances in understanding wavefunction equivalence and the conditions under which they may be considered equivalent or proportional.

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Is the wavefunction for x≤0 , ψ(x) = sinkx - acoskx equivalent to ψ(x) = -sinkx - acoskx where a is a constant ?
Thanks
 
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No, and you didn't multiply ψ by a constant number to get the second expression.
 
How to multiply wavefunction with a constant ? Could anyone please tell...thanks
 
Write cψ instead of ψ. There, you multiplied ψ by a constant c.
 
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Thank you could you give an example? Thanks
 
I just gave you an example. Please don’t derail this thread with your own questions, better start a new one.
 
Just so I make sure I understand this properly and I will use kets instead please tell me which of the following examples are equivalent to the ket
| u > + | v >

1. a ( | u > + | v > ) where a is any number ( real or complex)
2. | u > + ( a | v > )
3 . e-ix ( | u > + | v > )
4. | u > + ( e-ix | v > )
 
They are all different, but the first one is proportional to the initial one. For the third one it depends on what x is. If it refers to a spatial variable then it is not constant, if it is just some constant it is constant.
 
Thanks. Regarding the 1st example if it is proportional to the initial example is it not considered an equivalent wavefunction ?
My confusion arises because I have come across the following statement " multiplying a wavefunction by a constant number or a phase doesn't change the wavefunction"
 
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I have come across the following statement " multiplying a wavefunction by a constant number or a phase doesn't change the wavefunction"

Where did you come across this statement? Can you give a specific reference?
 
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The exact statement in some lecture notes from MIT is " ψ and αψ represent the same physics for any complex number α different from zero , so
| A > ≅ 2 | A > ≅ i | A > ≅ - | A > where ≅ represents physical equivalence "
 
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It leads to the same predictions for observable events if you take care of normalization.
 
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dyn said:
Is the wavefunction for x≤0 , ψ(x) = sinkx - acoskx equivalent to ψ(x) = -sinkx - acoskx where a is a constant ?
Perhaps you meant: ψ(x) = sinkx - acoskx equivalent to ψ(x) = -sinkx + acoskx
(negative negative = plus)

If you change the overall scaling and phase of everything in the whole system equally, it makes no difference to the system. But if you change the phase of one wavefunction with respect to another wavefunction, this will change the system.
 
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