Multivariable calculus problem involving partial derivatives along a surface

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The discussion revolves around a multivariable calculus problem involving the computation of partial derivatives and the directional derivative along a surface. Participants are exploring the implications of their calculations and the concept of the gradient in relation to maximizing the directional derivative.

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the directional derivative using partial derivatives and questions the logic behind choosing a specific unit vector. Other participants discuss the gradient's role in determining the direction of maximum increase and suggest alternative methods for finding the solution.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of partial derivatives and gradients. Some have provided guidance on evaluating the gradient at a specific point, while others are clarifying the relationship between the gradient and the direction of increase. There is a mix of interpretations and approaches being explored without a clear consensus.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the application of the gradient and its relationship to the directional derivative. Some participants are questioning assumptions about the calculations and the implications of their choices in the problem setup.

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I just wanted to know if my solution to part (b) is correct. Here's what I did:
I took the partial derivative with respect to x and y, which gave me
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respectively.
Then I computed the partial derivatives at (-3,4) which gave me 3/125 for partial derivative wrt x and -4/125 for partial derivative wrt y
Then since directional derivative requires a direction, I just chose an arbitrary one, uhat=(a,b)
since u is a unit vector that means sqrt(a^2+b^2)=1, or a^2+b^2=1.
I then solved for a, which is the plus minus of sqrt(1-b^2).

I just chose to use the positive answer here instead.
So the directional derivative is 3sqrt(1-b^2)/125-4b/125
To maximise this I took the derivative, which is -3b/125sqrt(1-b^2)-4/125
I set it to 0 and solved for b, which gave me -4/5.
So there is a local maximum for the directional derivative at b=-4/5 (I evaluated the second derivative and it was positive).
So that means on both sides of b=-4/5 the directional derivative decreases.
Subsituting b=-0.8 into my formula for a, a=sqrt(1-b^2), gives me a=0.6
So the directional derivative should be a maximum in the direction given by the unit vector (0.6, -0.8, 0) with magnitude 0.6(3/125)-0.8(-4/125) which is 0.04?

Although I didn't try the negative answer for a, a=-sqrt(1-b^2), I believe that this will yield a smaller answer because if a is negative, then a negative number times a positive number (3/125) will decrease the answer overall? Is my logic correct?
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The gradient of a function evaluated at a point tells you the direction in which the function increases most rapidly at that point. This would give you the answer more quickly.
 
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PeroK said:
The gradient of a function evaluated at a point tells you the direction in which the function increases most rapidly at that point. This would give you the answer more quickly.
Can you explain how to do it using this method?
 
sss1 said:
Can you explain how to do it using this method?
You could have just plugged ##x = -3, y = 4## into the derivative you calculated.
 
PeroK said:
You could have just plugged ##x = -3, y = 4## into the derivative you calculated.
derivative as in df/dt?
 
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sss1 said:
derivative as in df/dt?
Look up what gradient means for a multi-variable function.
 
PeroK said:
Look up what gradient means for a multi-variable function.
f_x(x,y)i+f_y(x,y)j? I plugged in (-3,4) and it gave me (3/125, -4/125)
 
sss1 said:
f_x(x,y)i+f_y(x,y)j? I plugged in (-3,4) and it gave me (3/125, -4/125)
But isn't that the gradient at (-3,4)? How is that the direction f increases most rapidly?
 

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