Multivariable limit (x,y) to (0,0)

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The problem involves calculating the limit of a multivariable function as (x,y) approaches (0,0). The expression under consideration is a fraction involving the square root of a sum of powers of x and y, divided by a cubic term of the sum of squares of x and y.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss using algebraic manipulation and polar coordinates to evaluate the limit. Some express uncertainty about their calculations and the implications of the polar transformation. Questions arise regarding the behavior of the limit and the role of the angle θ in the context of the limit approaching zero.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the limit's behavior, with some participants suggesting that the limit approaches zero. Clarifications are being made regarding the bounded nature of trigonometric terms involved in the limit calculation. Multiple interpretations of the limit's evaluation are being considered, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of understanding the behavior of the function as it approaches the limit, particularly in relation to the periodic nature of θ and its impact on the limit's value. There is also mention of the need to clarify assumptions about the limit's existence and the conditions under which it is evaluated.

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Homework Statement



Calculate the limit:

[itex]lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow(0,0)}=\frac{4\sqrt{x^{14}+y^{14}}}{(x^{2}+y^{2})^{3}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I'm supposed to use algebra for this but I can't seem to figure anything useful out.

I've found this:

[itex]x^{14}+y^{14}=(x^{2}+y^{2}) (x^{12}-x^{10} y^{2}+x^{8} y^{4}-x^{6} y^{6}+x^{4} y^{8}-x^{2} y^{10}+y^{12})[/itex]

but I'm not sure that helps me at all.

I know the limit exists and it's zero because I've plotted it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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kottur said:

Homework Statement



Calculate the limit:

[itex]lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow(0,0)}=\frac{4\sqrt{x^{14}+y^{14}}}{(x^{2}+y^{2})^{3}}[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think I'm supposed to use algebra for this but I can't seem to figure anything useful out.

I've found this:

[itex]x^{14}+y^{14}=(x^{2}+y^{2}) (x^{12}-x^{10} y^{2}+x^{8} y^{4}-x^{6} y^{6}+x^{4} y^{8}-x^{2} y^{10}+y^{12})[/itex]

but I'm not sure that helps me at all.

I know the limit exists and it's zero because I've plotted it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Change this to polar coordinates.
 
Thank you for the advice.

I plugged in [itex]x=rcos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y=rsin(\theta)[/itex] and after a little bit of cleaning up I got:

[itex]lim_{(r,\theta)\rightarrow(0,0)}=4r\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+cos^{14}(\theta)}[/itex]

But the limit is supposed to be one... I'm note sure I'm doing this right, or maybe I just don't understand this as well as I wanted. :blushing:
 
kottur said:
Thank you for the advice.

I plugged in [itex]x=rcos(\theta)[/itex] and [itex]y=rsin(\theta)[/itex] and after a little bit of cleaning up I got:

[itex]lim_{(r,\theta)\rightarrow(0,0)}=4r\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+cos^{14}(\theta)}[/itex]

But the limit is supposed to be one... I'm note sure I'm doing this right, or maybe I just don't understand this as well as I wanted. :blushing:
That should be [itex]\displaystyle\lim_{r\to 0}\ 4r^5\sqrt{\cos^{14}(\theta)+\sin^{14}(\theta)}\,.[/itex]

θ does not go to zero.

The limit is zero, not 1.
 
Yep of course the limit is zero, sorry about that.

This is how I calculated my result:

[itex]lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow(0,0)}\frac{4\sqrt{x^{14}+y^{14}}}{(x^{2}+y^{2})^{3}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4\sqrt{r^{14}cos^{14}(\theta)+r^{14}sin^{14} (\theta )}}{(r^{2}cos^{2}(\theta)+r^{2}sin^{2})^{3}(\theta)}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4\sqrt{r^{14}}\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}{}}{(r^{2}(cos^{2}(\theta)+sin^{2}(\theta))^{3}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4r^{7}\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}}{r^{6}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}4r\sqrt{cos^{14} (\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}[/itex]

I don't see what I did wrong here.

Also why don't I put [itex]\theta\rightarrow0[/itex]? I understand that [itex]\theta[/itex] goes in a period but shouldn't it approach anything? Maybe [itex]2\pi[/itex]?
 
kottur said:
Yep of course the limit is zero, sorry about that.

This is how I calculated my result:

[itex]lim_{(x,y)\rightarrow(0,0)}\frac{4\sqrt{x^{14}+y^{14}}}{(x^{2}+y^{2})^{3}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4\sqrt{r^{14}cos^{14}(\theta)+r^{14}sin^{14} (\theta )}}{(r^{2}cos^{2}(\theta)+r^{2}sin^{2})^{3}(\theta)}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4\sqrt{r^{14}}\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}{}}{(r^{2}(cos^{2}(\theta)+sin^{2}(\theta))^{3}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}\frac{4r^{7}\sqrt{cos^{14}(\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}}{r^{6}}=lim_{r\rightarrow0}4r\sqrt{cos^{14} (\theta)+sin^{14}(\theta)}[/itex]

I don't see what I did wrong here.

Also why don't I put [itex]\theta\rightarrow0[/itex]? I understand that [itex]\theta[/itex] goes in a period but shouldn't it approach anything? Maybe [itex]2\pi[/itex]?

As along as r->0 the limit is still 0. The trig term bounded by [itex]\sqrt 2[/itex] for any value of [itex]\theta[/itex]
 
Dick said:
The trig term bounded by [itex]\sqrt 2[/itex] for any value of [itex]\theta[/itex]

What do you mean by that?

Thank you for all the help. :smile:
 
kottur said:
What do you mean by that?

Thank you for all the help. :smile:

I mean that [itex]\sqrt(\sin^{14} \theta+\cos^{14} \theta)[/itex] is bounded as theta goes from 0 to 2*pi. It never gets larger than sqrt(2). If it went to infinity for some value of theta that could be a problem for the limit. The value of your function is between 0 and 4*r*sqrt(2). So as r->0 it must go to zero.
 
I get it now. Thank you.
 

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