What is the perceived frequency of Bird B when it hears Bird A's screech?

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The problem involves two birds flying towards each other, with Bird A emitting a sound at a specific frequency. The question focuses on determining the perceived frequency of the sound by Bird B, given their respective speeds and the speed of sound.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Doppler effect formula and question the correct assignment of signs for the velocities of the observer and source. There is an attempt to verify the calculations and clarify the reasoning behind the perceived frequency.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct sign conventions for the velocities in the Doppler effect formula. There is acknowledgment of a potential error in the original calculation, and clarification is being sought regarding the correct values to use.

Contextual Notes

The discussion is constrained by the need to adhere to the principles of the Doppler effect and the specific conditions of the problem, including the speeds of the birds and the frequency of the sound emitted.

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Homework Statement


Bird A and B are flying towards each other
Bird B at 20m/s
Bird A at 15m/s and screeches with a frequency of 3200 Hz
what does bird B perceive?


Homework Equations


the speed of sound is 343m/s

Fobserver==Fsource((vsound+vobserver)/(vsound+vsource)


The Attempt at a Solution



fobserver=3200((343+20)/(343+15))
=3244.7Hz

i check this against my solution and it appears to be wrong but I am not sure why. is it i got observer and source mixed around or maybe my signs?
 
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Yeah, you mixed up the signs. vobserver should be positive if the receiver is moving towards the source. vsource should be positive if the receiver is moving away from the source.

You can remember this by remembering that frequency always goes up if the receiver is moving towards the source. Hence, the numerator must get better, and the denominator must get smaller.
 
so in reference to this question is should be 20 and -15?
 
Yup.
 
thanks!
 

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