Mutual effects of gravity and velocity on time

In summary, General Relativity and Special Relativity both affect the shape of the Earth, but they don't cancel each other out, so clocks on the surface of the Earth run at the same rate.
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Dmstifik8ion
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The Earth takes the shape of an oblate spheroid due to its rotation and so gravity is stronger at the North/South Poles while the Equator has a velocity relative to the Poles.
When we consider General Relativity (the effect of gravity on the passage of time) together with Special Relativity (the effect of velocity on the passage of time) do these effects precisely cancel out maintaining synchronicity of clocks over the surface of a rotating oblate spheroid?
 
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Dmstifik8ion said:
The Earth takes the shape of an oblate spheroid due to its rotation and so gravity is stronger at the North/South Poles...
Don't be so quick to assume that gravity is greater at the poles because of the smaller radius. I believe this is false.
 
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Dmstifik8ion said:
The Earth takes the shape of an oblate spheroid due to its rotation and so gravity is stronger at the North/South Poles while the Equator has a velocity relative to the Poles.
When we consider General Relativity (the effect of gravity on the passage of time) together with Special Relativity (the effect of velocity on the passage of time) do these effects precisely cancel out maintaining synchronicity of clocks over the surface of a rotating oblate spheroid?

Basically, the answer is yes. All clocks on the geoid run at the same rate. See for instance http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-58/iss-9/p12.html or http://hermes.aei.mpg.de/2003/1/article.xhtml (it's a long article, see the section above (21)).

This ignores tidal forces from the sun and moon, which have only a very small effect. (The effect does perturb the theoretical ideal, i.e. it hasn't been included in the above analysis).

One can derive this if one assumes that energy is conserved. The geoid is defined to be an equipotential surface in the rotating frame. Therfore, if energy is conserved, light measured in the rotating frame should have the same energy if it starts and stops at any two equipotential points, i.e. there should be no net red or blueshift between any two points on the geoid.

Energy conservation in GR can get tricky, but as long as one sticks to static geometries this argument works fine.
 
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pervect said:
Basically, the answer is yes. All clocks on the geoid run at the same rate. See for instance http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-58/iss-9/p12.html or http://hermes.aei.mpg.de/2003/1/article.xhtml (it's a long article, see the section above (21)).

This ignores tidal forces from the sun and moon, which have only a very small effect. (The effect does perturb the theoretical ideal, i.e. it hasn't been included in the above analysis).

One can derive this if one assumes that energy is conserved. The geoid is defined to be an equipotential surface in the rotating frame. Therfore, if energy is conserved, light measured in the rotating frame should have the same energy if it starts and stops at any two equipotential points, i.e. there should be no net red or blueshift between any two points on the geoid.

Energy conservation in GR can get tricky, but as long as one sticks to static geometries this argument works fine.

Thanks, the links are perfect!
 
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What is the relationship between gravity and time?

The mutual effects of gravity and velocity on time can be explained by Einstein's theory of relativity. According to this theory, gravity is not a force but rather a curvature of spacetime caused by massive objects. This curvature affects the flow of time, causing time to pass more slowly in stronger gravitational fields.

How does velocity affect time?

Velocity also has an effect on time, known as time dilation. The faster an object moves, the slower time will pass for that object. This is due to the fact that the object's high velocity causes it to experience less gravity than a stationary object, resulting in a slower passage of time.

Can gravity and velocity cancel each other out?

No, gravity and velocity cannot cancel each other out. Both of these factors have independent effects on time, and their combined influence results in a complex relationship between the two. However, at extremely high velocities, the effects of time dilation can counteract the effects of gravity to some extent.

What is the most practical application of understanding the mutual effects of gravity and velocity on time?

One practical application of this understanding is in the field of satellite navigation. The satellites in the Global Positioning System (GPS) experience both the effects of gravity and velocity, which can cause discrepancies in the time measurements. By taking these effects into account, accurate location data can be provided to users.

Is there a limit to the mutual effects of gravity and velocity on time?

According to Einstein's theory of relativity, there is no limit to the effects of gravity and velocity on time. As an object's velocity approaches the speed of light, time dilation becomes more significant. Similarly, as an object approaches the event horizon of a black hole, the effects of gravity on time become infinitely strong.

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