Mystery of Einstein's Relativity Solved with Classical Physics

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The discussion revolves around a paper that claims to explain aspects of Einstein's relativity using classical physics concepts, particularly focusing on the behavior of an excited two-level atom moving through a vacuum and its interaction with emitted photons. The scope includes theoretical interpretations and potential contradictions with established relativistic principles.

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  • Some participants express confusion about the claims made in the referenced article and seek clarification on the author's arguments.
  • One participant summarizes the paper's findings, explaining that an atom emitting two photons in opposite directions does not change its state of motion in its rest frame, but appears to have a momentum change in a moving frame, which raises questions about consistency with relativity.
  • It is noted that the momentum change observed in the moving frame is attributed to a change in the atom's mass rather than a change in its velocity, suggesting a nuanced understanding of relativistic effects.
  • A question is raised regarding the concept of recoil shift and its potential impact on Doppler shift, indicating an interest in the implications of these phenomena.

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Participants generally express confusion and seek clarification, indicating that there is no consensus on the interpretation of the paper's claims. Multiple viewpoints regarding the implications of the findings and their relation to established physics remain unresolved.

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The discussion highlights potential limitations in understanding the implications of changing rest masses in relativistic contexts and the need for careful analysis in different reference frames. Some assumptions underlying the paper's conclusions may not be fully articulated.

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Readers interested in the intersections of classical physics and relativity, as well as those exploring the implications of photon emission on atomic motion and momentum in different frames of reference.

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The article in question: (PRL - 5 pages)
https://journals.aps.org/prl/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.053601
We show how a simple calculation leads to the surprising result that an excited two-level atom moving through a vacuum sees a tiny friction force of first order in v=c. At first sight this seems to be in obvious contradiction to other calculations showing that the interaction with the vacuum does not change the velocity of an atom. It is even more surprising that this change in the atom’s momentum turns out to be a necessary result of energy and momentum conservation in special relativity.

Follow-up article by the authors: (Journal of Modern Optics - html)
http://dx.doi.org/10.1080/09500340.2017.1374482
 
vin300 said:
If anybody understands what the author is trying to say, kindly elaborate

Ignore the pop science article; as so often happens, it doesn't give a good description of what the paper actually says.

What the paper actually says can be described as follows:

(1) Consider an atom in an excited state that emits two photons of equal energy in opposite directions. Since the two photons carry equal but opposite momenta, their recoils on the atom cancel and the atom's state of motion should not change.

(2) If we analyze this process in the initial rest frame of the atom, we find that, indeed, the atom's state of motion does not change; it remains at rest, and simply loses energy, and therefore mass (here and hereafter, "mass" means "rest mass" or "invariant mass"), equal to the energy carried away by the emitted photons.

(3) If we analyze this process in a frame in which the atom is moving, we find what appears to be a "paradox": the momentum of the atom changes (whereas in its rest frame it didn't--it remained zero). However, a more careful analysis shows that this momentum change is entirely due to the change in the mass of the atom; its velocity does not change. So there is no actual inconsistency with the principle of relativity; it is just that you have to be careful when analyzing scenarios where the rest masses of objects change.
 
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What is recoil shift? Does it affect doppler shift?
 

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