Necessary and Sufficient Meaning of Isometries by D. J. H. Garling

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of necessary and sufficient conditions for isometries as presented by D. J. H. Garling in "A Course in Mathematical Analysis: Volume II: Metric and Topological Spaces, Functions of a Vector Variable." Specifically, the condition $$T$$ is an isometry if and only if $$\| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E$$ for all $$x \in E$$ is analyzed. Participants clarify that the necessity of this condition implies that if $$T$$ is an isometry, then the equality holds, while sufficiency indicates that the equality implies $$T$$ is an isometry. The logical framework of necessary and sufficient conditions is thoroughly discussed and confirmed among participants.

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Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

I am reading D. J. H. Garling's book: "A Course in Mathematical Analysis: Volume II: Metric and Topological Spaces, Functions of a Vector Variable" ... ...

I am focused on Chapter 11: Metric Spaces and Normed Spaces ... ...

I need some help in order to understand some remarks by Garling made at the start of Section 11.5 ... ...

The remarks by Garling made at the start of Section 11.5 ... ... read as follows:
View attachment 8977In the above remarks Garling talks abut "the condition" being necessary and "the condition" being sufficient ...

It seems to me that that "the condition" is as follows:

$$T$$ is an isometry $$\Longleftrightarrow \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E$$Can someone explain to me the meaning of Garling's use of necessary and sufficient ...

NOTE: It seems that in the case where Garling says the condition is necessary that he is proving ...

$$T$$ is an isometry $$\Longrightarrow \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E $$

and when Garling says he is proving sufficiency he is proving ...

$$ \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E \Longrightarrow T$$ is an isometry ...

But why is this ... I need to fully understand necessity and sufficiency ... Hope someone can help ...

Peter***NOTE 2***From what I understand in basic logic ...

$$P \Longrightarrow Q$$ in words means $$P$$ is sufficient for $$Q$$ ...

while $$\sim P \Longrightarrow \sim Q$$ translates to $$P$$ is necessary for $$Q$$ ...
 

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Re: Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

Peter said:
Can someone explain to me the meaning of Garling's use of necessary and sufficient ...

NOTE: It seems that in the case where Garling says the condition is necessary that he is proving ...

$$T$$ is an isometry $$\Longrightarrow \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E $$

and when Garling says he is proving sufficiency he is proving ...

$$ \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E \Longrightarrow T$$ is an isometry ...

But why is this ... I need to fully understand necessity and sufficiency ...
From what I understand in basic logic ...

$$P \Longrightarrow Q$$ in words means $$P$$ is sufficient for $$Q$$ ...

while $$\sim P \Longrightarrow \sim Q$$ translates to $$P$$ is necessary for $$Q$$ ...
As you correctly say, $$\neg P \Longrightarrow \neg Q$$ translates to $$P$$ is necessary for $$Q$$. But $$\neg P \Longrightarrow \neg Q$$ is equivalent to $Q \Longrightarrow P$. So $$Q \Longrightarrow P$$ in words means $$P$$ is necessary for $$Q$$.
 
Re: Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

Peter said:
It seems to me that that "the condition" is as follows:

$$T$$ is an isometry $$\Longleftrightarrow \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E$$
The condition is $$\| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E$$ for all $$x \in E$$. The fact that it is necessary for $T$ to be an isometry means that if $T$ is an isometry, then the equality holds. The fact that it is sufficient means that it implies that $T$ is an isometry.
 
Re: Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

Evgeny.Makarov said:
The condition is $$\| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E$$ for all $$x \in E$$. The fact that it is necessary for $T$ to be an isometry means that if $T$ is an isometry, then the equality holds. The fact that it is sufficient means that it implies that $T$ is an isometry.
Thanks to Opalg and Evgeny I think I now am clear on the issues above...To summarise ...

The condition, say $$P \equiv \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E$$ ...

Let $$Q \equiv$$ $$T$$ is an isometry ... ...
Then ... $$P$$ is necessary for $$Q$$ ... means ...

$$\sim P \Longrightarrow \sim Q$$ ... which is equivalent to ...

$$Q \Longrightarrow P$$ ... which means ... $$T$$ is an isometry $$\Longrightarrow \| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E$$ ...

... and ...

$$P$$ is sufficient for $$Q$$ ... means ...

$$P \Longrightarrow Q$$ ... which means ...

$$\| T(x) \|_F = \| x \|_E \text{ for all } x \in E \Longrightarrow$$ $$T$$ is an isometry ...
Is the above correct ...Thanks again for your help ...

Peter
 
Re: Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

Yes, it is correct.
 
Re: Isometries ... Remarks by Garling including terms "necessary" and "sufficient" ...

Evgeny.Makarov said:
Yes, it is correct.
Thanks Evgeny ...

Appreciate your help ...

Peter
 

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