Necessary Prereq Math Class Full?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a student trying to enroll in a prerequisite math course, Intro to Mathematical Reasoning, which is full. The conversation explores potential solutions and strategies for managing course prerequisites in the context of advanced mathematics classes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration about the full course and considers attending anyway with a makeshift setup.
  • Another suggests self-studying the material and trying to convince professors of later courses of their preparedness.
  • A participant mentions that some schools allow enrollment in classes regardless of prerequisites, suggesting the student check their school's policy.
  • Several participants recommend talking to the professor about the situation and expressing a desire to learn the material in case a spot opens up.
  • One participant shares their experience of attempting to get a prerequisite override and mentions that some instructors may add students if they have the capacity.
  • Resources such as video lectures and practice materials for proof writing are suggested as alternatives for self-study.
  • Another participant raises the possibility of auditing the class or getting an exception due to the course's importance for the student's major.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of the course and the frustration of it being full, but there are multiple competing views on how to handle the situation, including self-study, talking to professors, and checking school policies regarding prerequisites.

Contextual Notes

There are varying policies regarding prerequisites at different institutions, and some participants mention personal experiences that may not apply universally. The discussion reflects a range of strategies that depend on individual circumstances and institutional rules.

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It's horrible! Despicable! I have to take Intro to Mathematical Reasoning, which is the proofs course at my university. I was planning on taking it this fall so I can take Advanced Calculus (the real analysis track prereq) and PDE in the spring. Math Reasoning is the prereq to both of them an it's completely full! I've filled out an override request and won't find anything out until a week before classes start. Worst case should I just show up for the class anyways? With a fold-up stool and a tray-table? Haha, I think it could work..
 
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I'm sorry to hear that :frown:

What you could do is self-study the course. Maybe you can convince the professor of the later courses that you do know the prerequisite material.

You could also show up for the classes and hope it's not full. Usually some people drop out after a while and a spot opens. You can then ask your professor to let you in the course.
 
I don't know if this is the case at your school, but we're allowed to enroll in any class we want regardless of whether we have had the prerequisite class or not. The prerequisites listed are more of a guideline than a requirement. So you should check out whether that's the case at your school too. Try enrolling in Adv Calc and see if the system let's you. In that case, you can self-study the intro proofs class yourself over the summer. If that doesn't work, micromass' suggestion is also good. Self-study and try to convince the Adv Calc professor to let you in.
 
Unless you are a last-semester senior, this isn't huge deal. You can make it up later.

But I totally understand the frustration. Talk to the professor. Tell him it is a requisite course and, if you can't get written in immediately, you'd like to sit in and learn the material so that if a spot opens up early in the semester, you can grab it and not be behind in the material.
 
Unless you are a last-semester senior, this isn't huge deal. You can make it up later.

But I totally understand the frustration. Talk to the professor. Tell him it is a requisite course and, if you can't get written in immediately, you'd like to sit in and learn the material so that if a spot opens up early in the semester, you can grab it and not be behind in the material.
 
Agreed -- at my school, instructors can add extra students if they feel like they have the room, you just need to show up with a form to have signed and then take it to the registrar for them to override. Check with the registrar to see if they have anything similar.

We're also able to get the department chair to override pre-reqs if we prove to them that we're capable of the material and won't drop it. (I tried this and failed to get approval, unfortunately, but I've known others who succeeded.)
 
There are tons of video lectures on proof writing and tons of course websites with practice material.

And if you know a professor at your school, you could stop by their office occasionally with questions (with their permission).
 
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Is it possible you could audit a class that was full? Or can you get them to let you in because you need it for your major? It sounds important and not like something you'd want to miss/skip/teach yourself from scratch.
 

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