Need a demonstration of constant motion and balanced forces

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on demonstrating the concept of balanced forces in the context of constant motion, particularly for high school physics students. Participants explore various methods and setups to illustrate that net force equals zero when an object moves at a constant speed, contrasting this with scenarios involving acceleration.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using a setup that demonstrates balanced forces with an object at rest and then moving it at a constant velocity to show the same principle.
  • Another proposes using a sled or roller on a horizontal or inclined surface, noting that weight balances the normal force and pull force balances friction, which can be measured directly.
  • A participant mentions a recent lab where students measured the applied force to find the coefficient of kinetic friction while pulling a sled at constant speed.
  • There is a concern raised about using an inclined plane, as it may lead to confusion regarding acceleration versus constant velocity.
  • Some participants discuss the complexity of the systems used, suggesting that simpler setups may be more effective for demonstrating balanced forces.
  • One participant reflects on the challenges of teaching physics to a diverse student body with varying abilities, noting that a standardized curriculum may not meet everyone's needs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the best methods to demonstrate balanced forces in constant motion, with no consensus on a single approach. Some agree on the effectiveness of using horizontal surfaces, while others explore the implications of using inclined planes.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of demonstrating these concepts and the potential for confusion among students, particularly when introducing different masses or inclined surfaces. The discussion reflects a variety of teaching strategies and the challenges of addressing diverse learning needs.

Who May Find This Useful

High school physics teachers seeking innovative ways to demonstrate concepts of motion and forces, particularly in relation to balanced forces and constant velocity scenarios.

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I'm a high school physics teacher and I need a way to demonstrate net force = zero when something is moving at a constant speed. Usually some get it right away, some don't care and a few just really can't get their mind around it. I tell them about the parachutist, their car going 60 mph in a straight line on a smooth road, and the airplane at level flight but some still insist more force needs to be applied to keep the airplane from falling out of the sky.
I'm doing a demonstration Monday which shows balanced forces with the object at rest using spring scales, masses and pulleys. I'm also doing accelerated motion with a motion detector, car, and a mass hanging over the table, tied to the car and the string going over a pulley. But I can't think of a way to show balanced forces with constant, uniform motion.
Any ideas? Even a computer simulation might help.
 
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jamesnb said:
...balanced forces with the object at rest using spring scales, masses and pulleys... But I can't think of a way to show balanced forces with constant, uniform motion.
Just take the whole arrangement that shows balanced forces with the object at rest, and move it at a constant velocity.
 
Thanks. Great idea and easy too.
 
As AT has observed the acceleration has to be zero.

Well you could have a sled or roller moving along a horizontal or inclined surface, with or without friction.

The weight balances the normal reaction and the pull force balances the friction.

All are directly measurable.
 
We did a lab Friday where they found the coefficient of kinetic friction by pulling a sled horizontally at a constant speed and using a spring scale to measure the applied force which of course is equal to the frictional force.
I'm not following the inclined plane. Wouldn't that cause the object to accelerate instead of move at a constant velocity?
In the past, I've used the cart on an inclined plane to show acceleration and I've used a cart on an inclined plane with weights and pulleys to keep the cart at rest and but I haven't put the cart in motion. I'm concerned if I have different masses on the cart they will get more confused.
 
Why an inclined plane?

It really depends how complicated you want your balanced system of forces to be.

The simplest is just two - the weight and the normal reaction on a horiz surface.

You can add friction and a traction force.

You can make it more complicated by inclining the plane.

It's just a matter of choice. If you do it several ways you can show the result is not a fluke but always the same, no matter how complicated.
 
You had mentioned horizontal or inclined. I was reading more into it. Thanks.
I do the inclined plane with the car at rest because there is a test problem with a similar drawing stating the car is at rest, what can you conclude about the forces? (they are balanced).
In the honors classes we get more into forces in two dimension but not much in the regular classes. Our state has decided all students must take physics so physics got less challenging.
 
Yes the problem here is that all students must take the same physics (or whatever), regardless of ability. This reduces it to the lowest common denominator, which satisfies no-one, (except perhaps one person).

go well
 
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