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The problem involves calculating the number of moles of gas in a bubble rising from the bottom of a lake, considering changes in pressure and temperature as it ascends. The subject area includes thermodynamics and gas laws, particularly the Ideal Gas Law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Ideal Gas Law and the need for assumptions regarding the gas composition in the bubble. There are attempts to calculate the number of moles, with some participants questioning the ideal gas behavior under the given conditions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing guidance on using the Ideal Gas Law and questioning assumptions about the gas in the bubble. There is recognition of the complexity due to the conditions affecting gas behavior, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to part b.

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Participants note the high pressure and low temperature conditions, which may affect the ideal gas behavior, and there is mention of the need for an assumption regarding the gas composition in the bubble.

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Homework Statement


A bubble rises from the bottom of a lake of depth 80.0 m, where the temperature is 4oC. The water temperature at the surface is 18oC. Assume the bubble to be in spherical shape and has an initial diameter of 1.00 mm. Assume that the pressure at the surface of the lake is 1.0 atm. Calculate a) the pressure at the bottom b) the number of moles and molecules in the bubble and c) the diameter of the bubble at the surface.

Homework Equations


PV=nRT
P(bottom) = P(atm) + d(ro)*g*h

The Attempt at a Solution


I have solved part a and c but I cannot answer part b. The answer to part a is 885300 Pascals and the answer to part c is 2.09 mm but no mater what I try I cannot get the correct answer to past b.
 
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Hi Jordan
Sorry - I answered the wrong question, so I erased it.

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Problem b: I think you need to make an assumption about what the stuff in the bubble is. Do you have a guess? Also, you will need to use the Ideal Gas Law. Do you know what that is?

Regards,
Buzz
 
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using
PV=nRT
did you get 2.01*10^-7mol
Note that the gas in the bubble is deviating significantly from an ideal gas under such high pressure and low temperature
 
Buzz Bloom said:
I think you need to make an assumption about what the stuff in the bubble is.
Are you sure?
 
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Trollfaz said:
using
PV=nRT
did you get 2.01*10^-7mol
Note that the gas in the bubble is deviating significantly from an ideal gas under such high pressure and low temperature
Air at about 9 bars and 4 C does not deviate much from ideal gas behavior. What is your estimate of the compressibility factor Z at these conditions? I guess it all boils down to what one considers "significantly."
 
haruspex said:
Are you sure?
Hi haruspex:

Thanks for the question. My mistake was thinking about determining the mass of the bubble rather than the moles.

Regards,
Buzz
 

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